1 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:13,409 [Music] 2 00:00:21,190 --> 00:00:17,210 this hope radio for the masses headliner 3 00:00:22,990 --> 00:00:21,200 between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces 4 00:00:24,850 --> 00:00:23,000 has announced that applying this has 5 00:00:27,910 --> 00:00:24,860 been found and is now in the possession 6 00:00:31,750 --> 00:00:27,920 of the army the game is rigged changed 7 00:00:34,630 --> 00:00:31,760 the game changer I occasionally think 8 00:00:38,590 --> 00:00:34,640 how quickly our differences worldwide 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:38,600 would vanish if we were facing an alien 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:41,730 threat from outside this way 11 00:00:47,060 --> 00:00:43,450 [Music] 12 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:49,310 fade to black with your host Jimmy 13 00:01:00,130 --> 00:00:52,170 church on the game-changer radio network 14 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:03,840 year 1985 15 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:07,540 [Music] 16 00:01:12,650 --> 00:01:09,700 you're listening to fade to black with 17 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:12,660 Jimmy judge on the game changing Network 18 00:01:20,899 --> 00:01:16,740 [Music] 19 00:01:26,810 --> 00:01:20,909 all right welcome fade to black 20 00:01:31,410 --> 00:01:26,820 the spoke radio for the masses 21 00:01:36,570 --> 00:01:31,420 man how you doing dude today's Wednesday 22 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:36,580 December 11th 2019 three hundred and 23 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:39,850 forty five days into the new year just 24 00:01:44,669 --> 00:01:43,570 20 days left we're live from a bunker 25 00:01:46,610 --> 00:01:44,679 somewhere in the middle of beautiful 26 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:46,620 downtown Burbank California 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:51,510 [Music] 28 00:01:54,620 --> 00:01:53,130 and I would like to welcome everybody 29 00:02:00,050 --> 00:01:54,630 listening all around the world 30 00:02:03,650 --> 00:02:00,060 Oh across the United States hither a 31 00:02:07,550 --> 00:02:03,660 tiller to and fro back and forth up and 32 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:07,560 down east and west north and south far 33 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:09,740 and near 34 00:02:14,990 --> 00:02:12,870 this is fade to black for kjc are the 35 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:15,000 game changer Network and kera the 36 00:02:21,470 --> 00:02:16,370 planets 37 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:21,480 I'm your host Amy Church what is rockin 38 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:29,100 how you doing all right I'm ready 39 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:32,310 Wednesday night on fade to black that 40 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:34,770 means a couple of things one we have a 41 00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:38,520 great guest two tomorrow night is fader 42 00:02:43,220 --> 00:02:41,280 night and then I can head into the 43 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:43,230 weekend and do housework that's what 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:48,540 that means I'm excited yeah all right 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:50,610 tonight John Greenwald of the black 46 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:55,170 vault is here that's right we're gonna 47 00:03:01,520 --> 00:02:58,410 discuss his latest headlines over at the 48 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:01,530 black vault got lots to cover he's been 49 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:03,330 doing a lot of great research and 50 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:05,910 getting it done we're gonna be 51 00:03:11,150 --> 00:03:08,640 discussing the news and revelations from 52 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:11,160 his recent articles over over at the 53 00:03:17,210 --> 00:03:13,920 black ball about a tip awesome 54 00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:17,220 the DoD TDS a Louis Elizondo 55 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:18,959 gonna be going through all of that we're 56 00:03:22,180 --> 00:03:20,250 going to be discussing Twitter Wars 57 00:03:24,530 --> 00:03:22,190 tonight we've got a couple of other 58 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:24,540 headlines and articles that he has 59 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:26,250 released lately we're gonna discuss all 60 00:03:30,740 --> 00:03:28,560 of that john began researching the 61 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:30,750 secret inner workings of the United 62 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:33,090 States government 1996 at the attender 63 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:37,590 age of 15 he targeted such groups as the 64 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:41,040 CIA the FBI the Pentagon the Air Force 65 00:03:47,090 --> 00:03:44,270 Army Navy the NSA dia countless others 66 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:47,100 Greenwald utilized the Freedom of 67 00:03:51,590 --> 00:03:49,530 Information Act to gain access to 68 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:51,600 thousands of Records I don't know what 69 00:03:57,260 --> 00:03:54,510 the total is now but I'm going to guess 70 00:03:59,660 --> 00:03:57,270 I'm gonna say Wow maybe we'll ask him 71 00:04:01,729 --> 00:03:59,670 I'm gonna say he's got I want to say 72 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:01,739 he's got 6 million documents he's 73 00:04:05,690 --> 00:04:04,290 probably got another 2 million in his 74 00:04:07,940 --> 00:04:05,700 garage that ever been 75 00:04:10,460 --> 00:04:07,950 scanned yet he's accumulated an 76 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:10,470 astonishing number of documents on the 77 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:12,769 topics of UFOs and the JFK assassination 78 00:04:18,140 --> 00:04:15,540 chemical biological nuclear weapons and 79 00:04:20,150 --> 00:04:18,150 of course top-secret aircraft and he's 80 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:20,160 got a new book out it is called secrets 81 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:21,600 of the black vault you can check that 82 00:04:27,650 --> 00:04:24,330 out the website is the black vault calm 83 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:27,660 and he also thinks he's a radio host I 84 00:04:32,780 --> 00:04:29,250 would like to welcome back to fade to 85 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:32,790 black John Greenwald man Thank You Jimmy 86 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:34,530 it's good to be here it's always it's 87 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:36,240 always great to have you on the show 88 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:37,830 yeah you never know where the 89 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:41,220 conversation is is going to go and 90 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:44,250 that's what I appreciate is is is open 91 00:04:51,710 --> 00:04:47,880 dialogue and I was listening to you not 92 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:51,720 today on your program and one of the 93 00:04:57,260 --> 00:04:53,940 things I caught you saying I'm gonna do 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:04:57,270 this you had Tim McMillan on and you you 95 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:00,810 had taken the time to tell him thank you 96 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:03,780 for for your work you're you're 97 00:05:08,870 --> 00:05:06,570 achieving success you're writing for 98 00:05:10,850 --> 00:05:08,880 vice and Popular Mechanics and and 99 00:05:13,370 --> 00:05:10,860 whatever and but you took the time to do 100 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:13,380 that and I don't I don't stop and smell 101 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:15,600 the roses with my guests as often as I 102 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:19,860 do as I should so I do this community 103 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:22,710 does need to stop and thank you you've 104 00:05:28,219 --> 00:05:24,840 been doing this for over 20 years you 105 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:28,229 started at the age of 15 and the success 106 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:30,810 of the black fault and its importance to 107 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:33,000 this community and to the world cannot 108 00:05:37,580 --> 00:05:35,520 be measured and and I'm taking a very 109 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:37,590 serious moment here to say thank you for 110 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:40,770 that and don't ever give up and how many 111 00:05:46,969 --> 00:05:45,300 documents do you still need to scan well 112 00:05:49,790 --> 00:05:46,979 I got to tell you thank you for that I 113 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:49,800 really do appreciate those kind words in 114 00:05:56,300 --> 00:05:53,340 regards to the number not quite 6 115 00:06:01,640 --> 00:05:56,310 million yet but I do have to point about 116 00:06:03,830 --> 00:06:01,650 2.2 million pages online which you know 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:03,840 you're speaking with the entire staff to 118 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:05,130 the black vault so I'm proud of that 119 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:08,610 number it has now been a very long time 120 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:12,860 since I started 23 years in August I hid 121 00:06:18,690 --> 00:06:17,280 so it it's been a long time it's been a 122 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:18,700 lot of fun but a long 123 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:21,070 I'm a lot of hard work but going back to 124 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:22,450 what you said I really do appreciate 125 00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:23,530 that thank you 126 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:25,870 well I'm gonna ask you a dumb question 127 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:27,910 how many scanners have you gone through 128 00:06:34,740 --> 00:06:31,630 and and and I'm being serious it's a 129 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:34,750 dumb question but there's back in the 130 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:37,810 day right where you are single page 131 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:40,960 feeding flipping up the lid in one page 132 00:06:46,650 --> 00:06:43,840 off and putting in another page and it's 133 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:46,660 clunking through it's it's it's stuff 134 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:51,820 that that is crazy talk do you have some 135 00:06:58,590 --> 00:06:56,710 crazy high-speed sheetfed scam yeah and 136 00:07:01,380 --> 00:06:58,600 funny you should say that it's about at 137 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:01,390 the end of its life this was one that I 138 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:02,770 purchased I've gone through quite a few 139 00:07:06,810 --> 00:07:04,510 to answer question I don't know how many 140 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:06,820 when I started the black vaults when I 141 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:08,410 was fifteen I couldn't afford a scanner 142 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:11,110 and and my parents really didn't know I 143 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:12,910 was running a website and very quick 144 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:16,690 story I I originally designed a legend 145 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:19,540 for typing in the documents by hand and 146 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:21,310 so what I would do was literally get the 147 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:23,530 documents from the government and type 148 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:27,130 them in and create an HTML essentially a 149 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:29,710 text mock-up not to be too geeky here 150 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:32,290 but I would I would code it in and when 151 00:07:36,870 --> 00:07:34,150 documents were blacked out I would 152 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:36,880 develop a code for that so I would have 153 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:38,800 you know characters they call them ASCII 154 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:41,020 characters ASCII characters to depict 155 00:07:45,630 --> 00:07:42,880 what was blacked out if I couldn't read 156 00:07:48,170 --> 00:07:45,640 something I had characters to depict 157 00:07:51,330 --> 00:07:48,180 that that's how I started and and I 158 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:51,340 would say about 500 pages in or so I 159 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:53,500 forget the exact number but I had enough 160 00:07:58,530 --> 00:07:56,050 like that's just ridiculous and I had a 161 00:08:00,690 --> 00:07:58,540 flatbed scanner donated to me from 162 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:00,700 somebody who was online they were 163 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:02,500 following what I was doing on the black 164 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:05,530 vault this was back in 1996 9/11 right 165 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:07,090 the the internet was a much different 166 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:10,450 beast back then and they donated this 167 00:08:16,020 --> 00:08:12,370 flatbed scanner and like you said such a 168 00:08:18,750 --> 00:08:16,030 clunky technology it was before PDFs 169 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:18,760 were really popular especially online 170 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:20,830 because websites just couldn't handle 171 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:24,880 the bandwidth and I would scan them in 172 00:08:28,770 --> 00:08:26,160 one page at a time 173 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:28,780 it's a nutshell version I mean it goes 174 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:30,220 on for a couple years before I finally 175 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:32,680 was able to get a 176 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:34,630 feeder scanner and then a couple years 177 00:08:41,730 --> 00:08:38,950 ago bought a fairly high speed one to do 178 00:08:43,050 --> 00:08:41,740 the job but I think that's a sadly I'm 179 00:08:45,450 --> 00:08:43,060 always trying to hit the top of the 180 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:45,460 pages so the scanner catches the pages 181 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:48,010 because it it is scanned so much the the 182 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:50,770 wheel that catches the the paper has 183 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:52,570 worn out and so it doesn't catch the 184 00:08:58,050 --> 00:08:55,240 paper anymore but but I will tell you 185 00:09:00,210 --> 00:08:58,060 this in closing it is a much higher 186 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:00,220 number compared to the number of 187 00:09:04,260 --> 00:09:02,350 scanners that I have it is a much higher 188 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:04,270 number to count the paper cuts that I 189 00:09:10,079 --> 00:09:08,080 have had in 23 years doing this honestly 190 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:10,089 I think I've lost pints of blood over 191 00:09:17,370 --> 00:09:13,870 the years and how much is left to be 192 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:17,380 scanned I have piles I posted a picture 193 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:19,570 a month or two ago remember that yeah 194 00:09:25,290 --> 00:09:22,570 yeah and there's piles I mean I would 195 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:25,300 safely say thousands of pages that are 196 00:09:30,090 --> 00:09:27,610 here ready to be scanned that's not 197 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:30,100 counting the number of FOIA requests 198 00:09:33,870 --> 00:09:32,380 that I have open which could yield tens 199 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:33,880 of thousands I mean it's always kind of 200 00:09:37,130 --> 00:09:35,920 a crapshoot on what you're gonna get 201 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:37,140 sometimes you're denied in full 202 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:39,520 sometimes you get three pages other 203 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:42,730 times they'd say it's three thousand 204 00:09:46,829 --> 00:09:44,860 five thousand two thousand twenty 205 00:09:50,130 --> 00:09:46,839 thousand whatever the number is pages 206 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:50,140 that are coming my way so it's it's it's 207 00:09:56,010 --> 00:09:54,070 a huge growing number of pages but but 208 00:09:57,870 --> 00:09:56,020 on top of that just a pretty big task to 209 00:09:59,610 --> 00:09:57,880 put it all together yeah because then 210 00:10:01,380 --> 00:09:59,620 there's the other part of it it's not 211 00:10:02,670 --> 00:10:01,390 just about the scanning first off you 212 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:02,680 have to know what the document is that 213 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:04,240 you're scanning there's a story behind 214 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:08,140 that and the logistics behind that but 215 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:10,330 after the scanning all of this has to be 216 00:10:16,530 --> 00:10:12,940 organized it still has to get brought 217 00:10:18,449 --> 00:10:16,540 into your web database all of that 218 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:18,459 filings got to be correct and it's got a 219 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:20,770 work and your file system has to work 220 00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:26,070 and megistias intend with the scan with 221 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:28,980 like for instance Stanton Friedman's 222 00:10:34,769 --> 00:10:32,170 archives know that you've talked to 223 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:34,779 Grant about that and so by where they've 224 00:10:40,530 --> 00:10:37,990 got a team of people organizing that and 225 00:10:43,780 --> 00:10:40,540 they're guessing three to five years to 226 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:46,680 that's the biggest challenge to 227 00:10:51,430 --> 00:10:50,090 archiving anything but archiving 228 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:51,440 government documents that's the biggest 229 00:10:59,350 --> 00:10:56,330 challenge and I I wish that I got to see 230 00:11:01,510 --> 00:10:59,360 Stanton's collection at his home I've 231 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:01,520 been friends was friends with Stan for a 232 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:04,490 very long time to the tune of about 20 233 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:07,310 years sadly never got to see his home 234 00:11:12,790 --> 00:11:10,280 and my friend Chris Rutkowski who's a 235 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:12,800 great researcher in his own right had 236 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:14,570 sent me a picture when he had visited 237 00:11:21,370 --> 00:11:17,450 Stan Friedman of being in his bunker and 238 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:21,380 just mounds of paper and you know it was 239 00:11:26,020 --> 00:11:23,510 it was incredible to see cuz Stan was 240 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:26,030 such an amazing smart intelligent 241 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:28,130 individual and then you see these mounds 242 00:11:32,740 --> 00:11:29,930 of paper and you're like holy heck how 243 00:11:34,660 --> 00:11:32,750 did you how'd you find anything and yet 244 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:34,670 he probably knew exactly where 245 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:36,770 everything was but yeah that is the 246 00:11:40,030 --> 00:11:38,480 biggest challenge when you get all of 247 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:40,040 this information collect all of these 248 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:42,920 documents to make it make sense to the 249 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:45,770 general public and to make it organized 250 00:11:51,010 --> 00:11:48,290 and that's that's been hard I won't lie 251 00:11:51,610 --> 00:11:51,020 I mean to to deal with so many different 252 00:11:54,130 --> 00:11:51,620 topics 253 00:11:56,830 --> 00:11:54,140 UFOs obviously is the most important and 254 00:12:00,700 --> 00:11:56,840 and and the most popular and that's what 255 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:00,710 I'm pretty much known for but I go after 256 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:02,930 secrets on anything and everything and 257 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:06,290 the black vault really does encompass 258 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:09,260 all of that research so again to try and 259 00:12:13,570 --> 00:12:10,970 put it all into one central database 260 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:13,580 it's it's very challenging a lot of fun 261 00:12:18,550 --> 00:12:16,370 but a big challenge now on top of the 262 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:18,560 black vaults you've been a television 263 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:22,040 producer for many many years you're 264 00:12:26,050 --> 00:12:24,380 you're researching you're doing your 265 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:26,060 journalistic stuff now you've got a 266 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:27,980 radio program that you're doing too as 267 00:12:34,870 --> 00:12:31,130 well black valve radio you've got a lot 268 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:34,880 of things that are in addition to FOIA 269 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:37,760 requests and the amount of time and 270 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:40,490 investment it takes to stay on top of a 271 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:42,650 request that you've sent out you have to 272 00:12:48,460 --> 00:12:44,510 do all the follow-up on that too as well 273 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:48,470 to continue the black vaults actual 274 00:12:56,490 --> 00:12:52,370 mission which is FOIA documents and and 275 00:12:59,009 --> 00:12:56,500 it's database so now you are 276 00:13:02,519 --> 00:12:59,019 a researcher you're journalists and 277 00:13:05,370 --> 00:13:02,529 that's what you are here tonight to 278 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:05,380 discuss how do you find the time to 279 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:08,320 juggle all of this and you're a dad I 280 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:11,350 mean how do you pull this off yeah it's 281 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:14,290 it's challenging I won't I won't lie a 282 00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:16,930 couple years ago I had started a 283 00:13:21,269 --> 00:13:18,820 business which ascent away from the 284 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:21,279 black vault unrelated to UFOs and 285 00:13:27,210 --> 00:13:24,310 government secrets but but created a 286 00:13:29,550 --> 00:13:27,220 business to kind of selfishly be able to 287 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:29,560 try and do stuff like the black vault as 288 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:31,930 a hobby and have the business work and 289 00:13:35,970 --> 00:13:33,760 support the bills but I didn't know I'd 290 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:35,980 do it full-time and lo and behold I was 291 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:38,800 I was able to do it and so I'm in a very 292 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:41,890 lucky position where the business that I 293 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:44,649 run allows me to do some things with the 294 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:47,320 black vault that is starting to diminish 295 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:50,670 as the business grows but but that was a 296 00:13:55,829 --> 00:13:53,890 kind of a selfish thing to pursue but it 297 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:55,839 was one that worked out for me which is 298 00:14:00,510 --> 00:13:57,370 why I'm able to kind of do the black 299 00:14:02,370 --> 00:14:00,520 vault as a fun hobby I love it the radio 300 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:02,380 I love it the live streaming I love it 301 00:14:07,620 --> 00:14:05,440 talking to you I absolutely love it so 302 00:14:11,810 --> 00:14:07,630 it allows me to do that and selfishly I 303 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:11,820 built the business that way to create 304 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:14,680 again that income that I sorely needed 305 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:18,310 because television although is great is 306 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:20,529 very tough in this economy this day and 307 00:14:25,139 --> 00:14:22,990 age even with you know a booming stock 308 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:25,149 market when the when the economy was 309 00:14:30,810 --> 00:14:27,250 really bad what you were doing with five 310 00:14:34,199 --> 00:14:30,820 to ten people seven eight years ago they 311 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:34,209 expect you to do it with one now and and 312 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:36,160 that's not an exaggeration and it was 313 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:38,890 just so burdensome to produce these big 314 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:40,810 shows for like History Channel Discovery 315 00:14:45,389 --> 00:14:43,810 Channel on very small budgets and so 316 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:45,399 that's why I kind of moved away a little 317 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:46,990 bit from that I still consult a lot 318 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:49,570 still do on-camera stuff but moved away 319 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:51,310 from it so that would that kind of 320 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:53,410 afforded me a little bit of time to have 321 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:53,769 fun 322 00:14:58,019 --> 00:14:55,810 I still obviously run the business every 323 00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:58,029 day but allows me to kind of sneak away 324 00:15:01,980 --> 00:15:00,160 periodically and do the black vault 325 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:01,990 stuff the stuff that really goes to the 326 00:15:07,439 --> 00:15:04,870 heart of what I love most alike reaching 327 00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:07,449 out to the Pentagon which it seems like 328 00:15:12,540 --> 00:15:08,800 you now have 329 00:15:16,740 --> 00:15:12,550 I think you have a hotline and you are 330 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:16,750 able to find the time to do this type of 331 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:20,560 research and journalism because that is 332 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:24,010 another tireless effort and your article 333 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:28,290 which just posted about a week ago when 334 00:15:32,370 --> 00:15:30,580 when I read the article I thought to 335 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:32,380 myself well it was the headline that 336 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:34,180 grabbed me and and the way that she's 337 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:36,070 you know the way that you presented it 338 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:38,590 you know here we go here comes the 339 00:15:44,370 --> 00:15:41,170 curveball alright and I thought now for 340 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:44,380 John to say that the something is very 341 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:46,330 though this is before I read it right 342 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:47,890 yeah here we go 343 00:15:54,420 --> 00:15:52,510 right well the I'm gonna jump ahead 344 00:15:57,210 --> 00:15:54,430 before we go over then we're gonna come 345 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,220 back to this but the article itself is 346 00:16:02,670 --> 00:16:00,160 about the Pentagon claiming that they 347 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:02,680 want to correct the record and that they 348 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:06,100 now need to state that a tip was not a 349 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:10,360 UFO or UAP program this is very 350 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:12,430 interesting we're gonna get into all of 351 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:15,670 this but I want to get before this were 352 00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:18,490 you reaching out to the Pentagon about 353 00:16:26,130 --> 00:16:23,200 this or was this another accidental road 354 00:16:29,340 --> 00:16:26,140 bump that you happen to drive over it 355 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:29,350 was a bit of an accidental road bump the 356 00:16:36,330 --> 00:16:32,850 quick explanation is when I received the 357 00:16:38,370 --> 00:16:36,340 the statements from the US Navy that 358 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:38,380 those videos that have been circulating 359 00:16:44,190 --> 00:16:41,710 were you ApS that was a huge turning 360 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:44,200 point that obviously made international 361 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:46,930 headlines and I it immediately started 362 00:16:50,570 --> 00:16:48,730 researching other aspects because that 363 00:16:52,890 --> 00:16:50,580 opens up this is the importance of 364 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:52,900 official statements that I think 365 00:16:57,630 --> 00:16:55,180 sometimes the general public misses is 366 00:17:00,660 --> 00:16:57,640 that the minute something goes on the 367 00:17:03,630 --> 00:17:00,670 record and is backed by the US military 368 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:03,640 of the US government you can use that in 369 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:05,980 FOIA requests in future requests now as 370 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:08,170 you just stated sometimes they do change 371 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:10,690 it this is true with not only UFOs but 372 00:17:15,329 --> 00:17:13,330 but other topics as well and that does 373 00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:15,339 happen it's rare but it happens and it 374 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:17,199 happened in this case what I was 375 00:17:22,590 --> 00:17:21,490 pursuing was what exactly was a tip and 376 00:17:24,749 --> 00:17:22,600 aa SAP 377 00:17:27,389 --> 00:17:24,759 now quite a few months ago now the New 378 00:17:31,399 --> 00:17:27,399 York Post broke a story that they got 379 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:31,409 Pentagon statements that said a tip did 380 00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:33,850 investigate unidentified aerial 381 00:17:40,009 --> 00:17:37,149 phenomena / UFOs and that's what I was 382 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:40,019 pursuing and has and have been pursuing 383 00:17:45,779 --> 00:17:44,049 for a couple months now that when that 384 00:17:47,999 --> 00:17:45,789 story broke in the New York Post I was 385 00:17:50,159 --> 00:17:48,009 contacted by the journalist Stephen 386 00:17:52,139 --> 00:17:50,169 Greenstreet who deserves props for 387 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:52,149 breaking that story and the New York 388 00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:53,830 Post had asked me for some quotes and 389 00:17:59,639 --> 00:17:56,799 then I eventually did a video livestream 390 00:18:01,799 --> 00:17:59,649 with them as well that was posted and I 391 00:18:03,899 --> 00:18:01,809 used one word that I very rarely use and 392 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:03,909 that is shocked and I told the New York 393 00:18:08,190 --> 00:18:06,220 Post something that I'll repeat now that 394 00:18:11,730 --> 00:18:08,200 I was shocked that the Pentagon said 395 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:11,740 that a tip dealt with you ApS because I 396 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:13,809 simply was shocked and it was like there 397 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:16,330 was no evidence to support that of the 398 00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:17,710 very little publicly available 399 00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:21,940 information that that we can get we had 400 00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,460 the word of Luis Elizondo who claims 401 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:27,039 that he led the program which I'm sure 402 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:29,919 we'll get into but we had his word and 403 00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:32,129 then we have senator Harry Reid's word 404 00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:34,240 but other than that there's kind of no 405 00:18:39,389 --> 00:18:36,340 evidence to support it and the official 406 00:18:42,749 --> 00:18:39,399 word was always skirting around the UFO 407 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:42,759 issue so when I said shocked I meant it 408 00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:45,610 now fast forward months I was pursuing 409 00:18:52,529 --> 00:18:48,700 one question they established that it 410 00:18:55,490 --> 00:18:52,539 dealt with you ApS or UFOs my question 411 00:18:58,740 --> 00:18:55,500 was is that the scope of the program or 412 00:19:01,019 --> 00:18:58,750 was it an element of the program were 413 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:01,029 they looking into let's say you know 414 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:02,950 advanced pieces of technology being 415 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:05,980 flown by Iran or China or North Korea or 416 00:19:11,249 --> 00:19:08,950 Russia or even their own military 417 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:11,259 branches in America and then in the 418 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:13,690 process stumbled on videos that were 419 00:19:20,399 --> 00:19:16,210 being captured of UFOs because that's a 420 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:20,409 very believable scenario or was the 421 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:24,730 program 100% dedicated to UFOs and so 422 00:19:28,259 --> 00:19:26,740 that's the question that I was pursuing 423 00:19:29,610 --> 00:19:28,269 I wasn't saying hey look guys you want 424 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:29,620 to change your statement because I'm 425 00:19:33,269 --> 00:19:31,870 here to break that story for you you 426 00:19:36,690 --> 00:19:33,279 know that wasn't even a thought in my 427 00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,700 mind and that was the the the question 428 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:38,080 one of the questions they were actually 429 00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:41,170 11 total and we can get into that too if 430 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:43,540 you want but that was one of 11 things 431 00:19:48,890 --> 00:19:46,120 that I was pursuing throughout three 432 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:48,900 different or excuse me four different 433 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:51,700 branches of the United States military 434 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:53,830 and departments within the US government 435 00:19:59,610 --> 00:19:56,770 and so those 11 points that I was 436 00:20:02,400 --> 00:19:59,620 pursuing funneled all into one desk of 437 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:02,410 the Pentagon as they have changed their 438 00:20:06,510 --> 00:20:04,210 process of handling these requests and 439 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:06,520 the answer to that question that I was 440 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:09,520 pursuing through that curveball and it 441 00:20:14,910 --> 00:20:11,680 was yeah we said this in the past but 442 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:14,920 we're gonna change it and and that to me 443 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:17,950 using the word shocked again I didn't 444 00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:20,530 expect that because I was expecting a 445 00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:24,580 this was not a UFO program per se but we 446 00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,560 did investigate UFOs as they came up in 447 00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,440 the course of you know X Y Z but that's 448 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:30,880 not what they said they just said that 449 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:33,670 they did not deal with the program or 450 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:36,400 with the phenomena and all and so that's 451 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:39,910 that's their their current stance so it 452 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,810 was an accident 453 00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:43,120 absolutely 100% an accident I was not 454 00:20:47,010 --> 00:20:44,500 thinking that they were going to give me 455 00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:47,020 that I want to read this quote from 456 00:20:54,750 --> 00:20:51,460 Susan gown the witch it was through an 457 00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:54,760 email to you but I'm I'm just gonna I'm 458 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:56,950 gonna read this passage and it's quote 459 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:01,360 neither a tip nor a SAP were you AP 460 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:04,810 related the purpose of a tip was to 461 00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:07,270 investigate foreign advanced aerospace 462 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:10,120 weapons system applications with future 463 00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:12,490 technology projections over the next 40 464 00:21:16,530 --> 00:21:14,350 years and to create a center of 465 00:21:18,330 --> 00:21:16,540 expertise on advanced aerospace 466 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:18,340 technologies end quote 467 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:22,210 that statement when I read the article 468 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:24,370 forced me and I told you about this 469 00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:27,310 earlier today I am NOT going to say who 470 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:29,080 sent me the document on the air 471 00:21:33,870 --> 00:21:31,030 everybody so you can forget about that 472 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:33,880 but it forced me to scratch my head 473 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:35,470 because I had forgotten about it 474 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:41,410 I was sent the a tip 38 page document 38 475 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:43,210 report document it's a couple hundred 476 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:43,690 pages 477 00:21:50,370 --> 00:21:47,850 I was sent that in October of 2017 478 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:50,380 before the launch 479 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:54,190 of T TSA before a tip was a word a tip 480 00:22:02,730 --> 00:21:57,250 didn't pop out into the public until 481 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:02,740 December 16th of 2017 that report which 482 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:08,200 I read fully I dismissed I thought it 483 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:12,570 was science fiction I thought it was 484 00:22:19,170 --> 00:22:16,330 fantasy I recognized the names of the 485 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:19,180 people that were involved in writing or 486 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:22,000 some of them in writing up these reports 487 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:26,170 but they had nothing to do with UFOs had 488 00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:27,970 nothing to do with alien or et 489 00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:32,070 technology and it just seemed to me that 490 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:35,380 forward thinkers were putting their 491 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:37,390 thoughts down into words about 492 00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:40,390 possibilities that's what I thought of 493 00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:42,820 the report and I dismissed it I still 494 00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,860 have it on my harddrive now and I went 495 00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:46,480 back and I looked at my email and I 496 00:22:50,730 --> 00:22:49,000 looked at the dates and I went oh the 497 00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,740 reason why I forgot about it was because 498 00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:52,720 I thought it was a nothing burger and 499 00:22:58,590 --> 00:22:54,790 when I'm reading what the Pentagon is 500 00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,600 saying today and I'm looking here future 501 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:00,640 technology projections over the next 40 502 00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:03,100 years that's exactly what that report is 503 00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:05,590 it has nothing to eat it had nothing to 504 00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:08,590 do with UFOs I didn't know I was holding 505 00:23:14,490 --> 00:23:11,740 a tip in my hands at that time I just 506 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:14,500 thought it was was fun reading it was 507 00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:17,350 fantasy and I told Richard Dolan had two 508 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:18,430 years ago 509 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:21,910 when I sent him a copy of it so that's 510 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:25,540 that's I think the Pentagon is spot on 511 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:27,970 the money and what they are saying here 512 00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:32,020 but the question is what do we do with 513 00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:34,390 this now do we do we believe the 514 00:23:38,970 --> 00:23:36,790 Pentagon today do we believe the 515 00:23:42,090 --> 00:23:38,980 Pentagon last week are they allowed to 516 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:42,100 change their minds and how do we have 517 00:23:46,590 --> 00:23:44,350 our cake and eat it too here because 518 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:46,600 there are there are those out there that 519 00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:49,300 say believe the Pentagon when they say 520 00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:52,540 you AP's with the US Navy right in the 521 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:54,550 videos but don't believe them when they 522 00:23:58,830 --> 00:23:57,070 change their mind right and you can't 523 00:24:01,530 --> 00:23:58,840 have it both ways what are we supposed 524 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:01,540 to do with this yeah well a couple 525 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:03,730 things to unroll there I mean first and 526 00:24:07,630 --> 00:24:04,310 foremost the 527 00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:07,640 thirty-eight reports the list has been 528 00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:10,100 officially released to coincide with 529 00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:12,440 with you know whatever was sent to you 530 00:24:19,270 --> 00:24:15,520 as well that the list of the 38 titles 531 00:24:21,910 --> 00:24:19,280 appeared first reported from a leaked 532 00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:21,920 document and then it was officially 533 00:24:25,270 --> 00:24:23,900 released I don't know what the time 534 00:24:27,550 --> 00:24:25,280 frame was but but quite a few months 535 00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,560 later officially by the Defense 536 00:24:33,310 --> 00:24:30,080 Intelligence Agency and this was listed 537 00:24:39,130 --> 00:24:33,320 in a letter to Senator John McCain back 538 00:24:42,730 --> 00:24:39,140 in January of 2018 that that listed for 539 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:42,740 Senator McCain the 38 reports created 540 00:24:49,570 --> 00:24:45,470 under a tip and as you already noted yes 541 00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:49,580 they all are kind of absent from any UFO 542 00:24:56,290 --> 00:24:53,870 or UAP reference around the same time 543 00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,300 frame the the AUSA 544 00:25:03,280 --> 00:24:58,400 you had mentioned in the quote ah sap 545 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:03,290 essentially what that is is a program 546 00:25:08,530 --> 00:25:05,330 name for the contract that was farmed 547 00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:08,540 out to Bigelow Aerospace to create those 548 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:12,350 38 contracts and what's available has 549 00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:14,930 been public if you believe if you can 550 00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:17,660 believe it since 2008 it has been on the 551 00:25:23,410 --> 00:25:20,870 internet on a US government server when 552 00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:23,420 it posted for bids for this awesome 553 00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:26,960 contract to create 38 reports talking 554 00:25:32,410 --> 00:25:29,720 about advanced weapons and forward 555 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:32,420 projection into 40 years what I had 556 00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,250 uncovered from the DIA that had never 557 00:25:39,670 --> 00:25:35,840 been released before was that there was 558 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:39,680 only one single lone bidder on that 559 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:41,210 contract which happened to have been 560 00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:43,490 Bigelow Aerospace as subsidiary 561 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:46,580 subsidiary known as bass and that is 562 00:25:51,130 --> 00:25:48,710 what ultimately got the contract and 563 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:51,140 that is what is referenced as being the 564 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:51,890 quote unquote 565 00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:54,890 a tip contractor that spent 22 million 566 00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,110 dollars now to your question of what we 567 00:26:01,420 --> 00:25:59,600 do with this this is what stuff do we 568 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:01,430 believe the Pentagon now do we believe 569 00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:04,370 them then you know what do we do at the 570 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:06,920 end of the day every group including the 571 00:26:12,190 --> 00:26:10,190 government is is is run and operated by 572 00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:12,200 humans so we're all going to make 573 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:12,980 mistakes 574 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:14,510 believe it or not it's hard to believe 575 00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:16,910 just don't tell my wife I make mistakes 576 00:26:19,629 --> 00:26:17,720 too 577 00:26:22,090 --> 00:26:19,639 so we have to we have to understand that 578 00:26:24,340 --> 00:26:22,100 mistakes are made T TSA makes them I 579 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:24,350 make them and again the government makes 580 00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:25,850 them so I don't think we could just 581 00:26:29,769 --> 00:26:27,590 automatically start blacklisting 582 00:26:32,139 --> 00:26:29,779 everything the government says because 583 00:26:34,629 --> 00:26:32,149 if we do that then we automatically have 584 00:26:36,909 --> 00:26:34,639 to blacklist everything T TSA says 585 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:36,919 because of the blunders they have made 586 00:26:41,649 --> 00:26:38,690 and that they have been forced to 587 00:26:45,129 --> 00:26:41,659 correct in the past and so that is is 588 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:45,139 not a fair approach because they have 589 00:26:50,259 --> 00:26:48,169 admitted a mistake they could have 590 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:50,269 changed their entire stance on 591 00:26:54,970 --> 00:26:52,490 everything the three videos that the 592 00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:54,980 Navy told me were you ApS they could 593 00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,529 have changed that and they did not they 594 00:27:02,440 --> 00:26:59,600 they could have changed though hey we're 595 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:02,450 taking you ap reports seriously now we 596 00:27:07,629 --> 00:27:05,210 have guidelines to do so they could have 597 00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:07,639 changed that and they did not they could 598 00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:08,419 have changed 599 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:10,340 mr. Lewis Elizondo had no 600 00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:12,710 responsibilities on a tip yet they did 601 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:15,080 not and so all of those statements all 602 00:27:19,629 --> 00:27:17,450 have stood they aren't changing them 603 00:27:23,769 --> 00:27:19,639 what they're saying is the a tip program 604 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:23,779 and all SAP contract slash program did 605 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:25,370 not deal with you ApS 606 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:27,740 and so it's it's a really interesting 607 00:27:32,379 --> 00:27:29,570 development I don't know what to think 608 00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:32,389 but going back to your point no evidence 609 00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:36,470 officially anyway exists that said oh 610 00:27:43,509 --> 00:27:40,220 yeah this is by far a UFO program if the 611 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:43,519 DIA told John McCain here are the 38 612 00:27:48,369 --> 00:27:45,740 reports everything that was created 613 00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:48,379 under this contract because Senator 614 00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:50,990 McCain just to give a very quick quick 615 00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,289 preface asked about the advanced 616 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:56,480 aerospace a threat identification 617 00:28:00,879 --> 00:27:58,850 program and everything that was created 618 00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:00,889 under it that they called it all 619 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:03,169 products produced under the a tip 620 00:28:09,610 --> 00:28:06,350 contract for DIA to publish and that in 621 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:09,620 turn created a list of 38 reports not a 622 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:13,370 single one on UFOs or UAP now in 623 00:28:18,610 --> 00:28:16,210 fairness there are advanced propulsion 624 00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:18,620 technologies very advance science like 625 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:20,419 you said very much borderline science 626 00:28:25,930 --> 00:28:23,330 fiction yeah we can argue if it's a 627 00:28:28,930 --> 00:28:25,940 waste of money or not but very advanced 628 00:28:31,149 --> 00:28:28,940 pieces of technology and very advanced 629 00:28:31,660 --> 00:28:31,159 fields of science but none of which are 630 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:31,670 you a 631 00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:34,130 or UFO so that goes back to what I told 632 00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:36,230 the New York Post I was shocked when 633 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:39,350 they said it was UFO or UAP related but 634 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:41,090 at the end of the day right now right 635 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:44,450 now there is no evidence that supports 636 00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:48,320 this was a UFO or UAP program at all I 637 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:51,980 just don't I just don't see it and we 638 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,050 may see it tomorrow maybe there's a FOIA 639 00:28:58,090 --> 00:28:56,240 release that I'll get or some of someone 640 00:28:59,980 --> 00:28:58,100 else will get really knows maybe that'll 641 00:29:02,110 --> 00:28:59,990 be produced but at this point it's just 642 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:02,120 not there and so yeah we have to 643 00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:04,220 entertain the possibility that the 644 00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:06,230 Pentagon is telling the truth this is 645 00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:08,030 fade to black our guest tonight John 646 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:11,000 Greenwald of the black vault more with 647 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:12,710 John right after this short break stay 648 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:13,810 with us 649 00:29:39,370 --> 00:29:37,029 all right welcome back painted black I'm 650 00:29:41,049 --> 00:29:39,380 Errol Jimmy church tonight John 651 00:29:45,220 --> 00:29:41,059 Greenwald is here at the black vault he 652 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:45,230 released an article last Friday and yes 653 00:29:53,049 --> 00:29:48,350 once again it's about the Pentagon and 654 00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:53,059 an a tip and haul sap and oh oh also by 655 00:29:59,470 --> 00:29:55,880 the way John the COFF button see Mike 656 00:30:01,870 --> 00:29:59,480 off button here when I hit it the 657 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:01,880 audience cannot hear me do what I need 658 00:30:10,629 --> 00:30:05,450 to do privately you can in the talkback 659 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:10,639 in the headphones anything that I do 660 00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:13,000 crazy isn't going out over the air oh 661 00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:15,470 but I can hear ya no problem that 662 00:30:19,060 --> 00:30:17,720 happens to me to Saturday when I do an 663 00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:19,070 interview and I always got to tell the 664 00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:22,070 guests not a problem I was just thinking 665 00:30:25,899 --> 00:30:24,440 about that because I'm coughing or doing 666 00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:25,909 whatever here and I'm thinking John can 667 00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:27,590 you hear that I hope he doesn't think 668 00:30:32,529 --> 00:30:30,460 that's going out over the air okay so 669 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:32,539 because I was just doing some pretty 670 00:30:46,299 --> 00:30:40,250 gross things here okay Susan Gow again 671 00:30:49,539 --> 00:30:46,309 this is in your article she continued I 672 00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:49,549 could do a quote here but she continues 673 00:30:56,740 --> 00:30:53,120 to say that Lewis Elizondo and I'm 674 00:30:59,529 --> 00:30:56,750 quoting directly was not the director of 675 00:31:01,769 --> 00:30:59,539 a tip and I'm still continuing the code 676 00:31:04,899 --> 00:31:01,779 here and had no assigned 677 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:04,909 responsibilities within the program now 678 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:08,169 let's let's unpack this a little bit 679 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:12,529 what does this really say well it 680 00:31:16,539 --> 00:31:14,809 definitely coincides with statements 681 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:16,549 that they've given in the past that have 682 00:31:23,529 --> 00:31:20,450 been very confusing and one that I would 683 00:31:25,779 --> 00:31:23,539 have hoped that have would have been 684 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:25,789 addressed by now and I really thought 685 00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,730 they would have been by either T TSA as 686 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:31,279 a public benefit corporation as a whole 687 00:31:38,889 --> 00:31:34,970 or mr. Lewis Elizondo himself saying 688 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:38,899 this is why it's wrong and I have yet to 689 00:31:47,049 --> 00:31:41,929 see that and the Pentagon stance is that 690 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:47,059 he has he had no responsibilities with 691 00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,700 than the a tip program now that has been 692 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:52,399 obviously a very controversial thing 693 00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:54,440 that has floated around now for quite a 694 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:57,230 few months the intercept was the one 695 00:32:02,139 --> 00:31:58,850 credit to them for breaking the story 696 00:32:04,330 --> 00:32:02,149 authored by Keith klore who got the 697 00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,340 statement from the Pentagon that said 698 00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:06,799 again Louis Elizondo essentially didn't 699 00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:08,120 what they're essentially saying is he 700 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:09,470 didn't work on the program you know 701 00:32:13,570 --> 00:32:11,210 without saying that they're saying no 702 00:32:16,659 --> 00:32:13,580 assigned responsibilities now that paves 703 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:16,669 the way that mr. Elizondo may be on his 704 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:19,090 either free time because he was curious 705 00:32:25,149 --> 00:32:21,950 on his lunch hour or during his workday 706 00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:25,159 or whatever worked on something on his 707 00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,950 own and that's fine but his story is 708 00:32:32,859 --> 00:32:30,559 that he was the director so I only go by 709 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:32,869 what people say publicly and that's what 710 00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:35,480 he is saying and the Pentagon is saying 711 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:38,840 no now will they change that statement 712 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:40,730 in the future because they change this 713 00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:42,769 other one well that's a huge possibility 714 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:45,350 but until then we have to you know to 715 00:32:50,909 --> 00:32:47,690 deal with the fact that that is what 716 00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:50,919 they are saying and mr. Elizondo is not 717 00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,320 address this at all with the exception 718 00:33:00,759 --> 00:32:57,440 of one interview that I've heard by 719 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:00,769 martin willis and he asked him this was 720 00:33:05,289 --> 00:33:02,450 shortly after the story broke in the 721 00:33:07,299 --> 00:33:05,299 intercept essentially about it and i'm 722 00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,309 paraphrasing here but mr. Elizondo 723 00:33:12,909 --> 00:33:09,440 essentially said well everybody's 724 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:12,919 entitled to his or her own opinion now 725 00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,470 that's not a way to address what could 726 00:33:20,019 --> 00:33:17,840 be a essentially a character 727 00:33:22,989 --> 00:33:20,029 assassination they're questioning the 728 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:22,999 guy's honesty and integrity meaning the 729 00:33:27,489 --> 00:33:25,369 pentagon is questioning mr. elizondo's 730 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:27,499 public story I would turn around and 731 00:33:32,649 --> 00:33:29,450 fight that to be honest with you I mean 732 00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,659 if that was me and so for months 733 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:35,360 I did not update my site that I've tried 734 00:33:40,629 --> 00:33:37,610 to stay very up-to-date on with that 735 00:33:42,999 --> 00:33:40,639 pentagon statement I wrote about it in 736 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:43,009 other articles but in the main articles 737 00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:45,980 on a tip and aa SAP in that research I 738 00:33:50,859 --> 00:33:48,169 refrained from it because I really did 739 00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:50,869 expect mr. Elizondo to deal with it or 740 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:54,320 offer some kind of proof and so even 741 00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,850 though again I had published articles 742 00:34:00,580 --> 00:33:58,159 admittedly I definitely referenced it 743 00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:00,590 because it's very important 744 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:03,500 my main research page which is getting 745 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:05,510 very lengthy on all the research I've 746 00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:07,370 done throughout various military 747 00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:10,700 branches on a tip through FOIA had 748 00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,250 refrained from mentioning it but this is 749 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:15,440 going back I think to June 1st of this 750 00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:17,899 year and here we are at the end of the 751 00:34:25,089 --> 00:34:20,740 year and there's still really no 752 00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:25,099 rebuttal I don't get it yeah and I feel 753 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:28,750 like it just interrupted you but ok the 754 00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:32,810 I want a clear understanding here for 755 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:38,629 the audience a tip was nothing more than 756 00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:42,770 those 38 reports with all of your 757 00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:45,950 research and and document and what you 758 00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:50,379 have learned has a tip extended beyond 759 00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:54,800 that boundary of the 38 reports that 760 00:35:00,760 --> 00:34:57,950 were written up well be prepared to be 761 00:35:01,450 --> 00:35:00,770 confused because I'm confused and I love 762 00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:01,460 this stuff 763 00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:05,270 this is where much of the confusion is 764 00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:08,060 on what is the relation between a tip 765 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:12,230 and AUSA and what did it do I'll tell 766 00:35:17,290 --> 00:35:14,089 you quickly the three different stories 767 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:17,300 that are being put out there okay mister 768 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:21,410 Elizondo says a tip was not OSAP it was 769 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:23,710 a different program and it was 770 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:27,250 essentially spawned from the AUSA 771 00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:31,430 program that story one story - comes 772 00:35:37,390 --> 00:35:33,830 from dr. Hal put off which happens to be 773 00:35:40,359 --> 00:35:37,400 a co-founder of T TSA and an undisputed 774 00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:40,369 member of the essentially the AH sab 775 00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:43,430 contract working for Bigelow who helped 776 00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:47,359 author these 38 reports according to him 777 00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,660 a tip was not a program at all it was 778 00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:52,880 just a nickname and it was actually 779 00:35:58,270 --> 00:35:55,849 awesome that was the program that story 780 00:36:00,280 --> 00:35:58,280 number two story number three just came 781 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:00,290 from the Pentagon one that again very 782 00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,210 much surprised me because I would have 783 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:05,359 bet money about the about this hierarchy 784 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:07,490 being reversed but according to the 785 00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,750 Pentagon aw snap was just the contract 786 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:13,859 that was given to Bass 787 00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:17,910 a tip was the overall project that a SAP 788 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:21,150 was under all three of those stories 789 00:36:26,299 --> 00:36:23,910 contradict each other no two can be 790 00:36:29,769 --> 00:36:26,309 right so who do you believe and that 791 00:36:33,699 --> 00:36:29,779 that therein lies one of many conundrums 792 00:36:36,469 --> 00:36:33,709 that is plaguing this story that it just 793 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:36,479 doesn't make sense now to your question 794 00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:39,630 did it go beyond those 38 reports the 795 00:36:44,449 --> 00:36:41,670 only official evidence that we have 796 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:44,459 right now is that letter that the DIA 797 00:36:50,209 --> 00:36:47,369 had written to John McCain and that 798 00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:50,219 outlined the 38 reports this is what's 799 00:36:57,229 --> 00:36:53,430 interesting is that John McCain asked 800 00:37:00,019 --> 00:36:57,239 about the a tip contract reports the DIA 801 00:37:03,049 --> 00:37:00,029 sent him the 38 reports you would assume 802 00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:03,059 those were under a tip however the ones 803 00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:05,940 that have leaked out that the select few 804 00:37:13,249 --> 00:37:09,150 of those 38 if you look on the cover 805 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:13,259 pages they all reference a set so the 806 00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:15,150 question is John McCain asked about a 807 00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,359 tip and dia said here you go and all the 808 00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:19,920 reports that have leaked out thus far 809 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:22,619 say ah sap now what does that mean are 810 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:24,930 they the same program different or is 811 00:37:30,319 --> 00:37:27,690 that all a tip was which is what's 812 00:37:34,759 --> 00:37:30,329 called it essentially a paper program so 813 00:37:37,309 --> 00:37:34,769 they invest 22 million dollars and then 814 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:37,319 they farm out to a government contractor 815 00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:40,170 this contract and they say okay we want 816 00:37:45,739 --> 00:37:43,079 you to research advanced weapon systems 817 00:37:48,319 --> 00:37:45,749 and and so on and so that government 818 00:37:51,979 --> 00:37:48,329 contractor meets the requirements set 819 00:37:53,809 --> 00:37:51,989 forth in that contract the contract 820 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:53,819 itself has not been presented either 821 00:37:58,459 --> 00:37:55,890 leaked or officially but that's 822 00:38:01,789 --> 00:37:58,469 essentially how it works so all the 823 00:38:04,279 --> 00:38:01,799 evidence shows at this point is that a 824 00:38:07,699 --> 00:38:04,289 tip as a whole being the umbrella 825 00:38:10,339 --> 00:38:07,709 project pretty much generated the 38 826 00:38:15,729 --> 00:38:10,349 reports under the Asik contract that was 827 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:15,739 given to bass I remember you and I 828 00:38:21,469 --> 00:38:19,440 discussing this exact subject almost two 829 00:38:25,189 --> 00:38:21,479 years ago now remember we're December 830 00:38:27,259 --> 00:38:25,199 11th 2019 now okay so it was sometime 831 00:38:29,659 --> 00:38:27,269 early last year 832 00:38:31,999 --> 00:38:29,669 we were you and I were guys it's awesome 833 00:38:33,979 --> 00:38:32,009 because now you know we had the report 834 00:38:36,709 --> 00:38:33,989 and we were looking at it and trying to 835 00:38:39,169 --> 00:38:36,719 figure this out I saw SAP a tip here's a 836 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:39,179 tip awesome what is awesome and we were 837 00:38:45,409 --> 00:38:41,609 trying to unpack it then and here we are 838 00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:45,419 at December 2019 no closer to trying to 839 00:38:51,489 --> 00:38:47,640 figure this out we've been chasing this 840 00:38:53,299 --> 00:38:51,499 for a while now but this this 841 00:38:55,669 --> 00:38:53,309 possibility number three from the 842 00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:55,679 Pentagon may answer the questions that 843 00:39:00,889 --> 00:38:57,390 you and I were throwing at each other 844 00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,899 almost two years ago is it do you lean 845 00:39:05,569 --> 00:39:03,839 towards choice number three now are you 846 00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:05,579 leaning in that direction I don't know 847 00:39:09,289 --> 00:39:07,079 which way to go with this much so I I 848 00:39:11,449 --> 00:39:09,299 don't either and up until about a week 849 00:39:13,669 --> 00:39:11,459 ago and I've said this on multiple 850 00:39:16,819 --> 00:39:13,679 occasions anybody can you know fact 851 00:39:17,809 --> 00:39:16,829 check me I actually believed mr. Luisi 852 00:39:21,139 --> 00:39:17,819 Elizondo on it 853 00:39:24,019 --> 00:39:21,149 III thought ah sap was the umbrella 854 00:39:27,169 --> 00:39:24,029 project and a tip spawned out of that I 855 00:39:30,769 --> 00:39:27,179 believed him and dr. put-off who I have 856 00:39:33,289 --> 00:39:30,779 asked and he has never returned 857 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:33,299 that request for comment why is there 858 00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:36,569 that discrepancy between the two and I 859 00:39:42,499 --> 00:39:39,689 wrongly thought one of them must be 860 00:39:44,509 --> 00:39:42,509 right and I would have bet money in a 861 00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:44,519 card game that mr. Lewis Elizondo was 862 00:39:50,659 --> 00:39:48,599 right lo and behold pursuing the answer 863 00:39:52,819 --> 00:39:50,669 to that question that you and I have 864 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:52,829 kicked around now for you know two years 865 00:39:58,699 --> 00:39:56,249 is that which one was was right in 866 00:40:01,939 --> 00:39:58,709 pursuing that the Pentagon says oh by 867 00:40:04,219 --> 00:40:01,949 the way no that's not true and a tip was 868 00:40:06,049 --> 00:40:04,229 the umbrella ah sap was the contract 869 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:06,059 that was that was farmed out to a 870 00:40:10,789 --> 00:40:08,729 government contractor and so that that 871 00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:10,799 again was another curveball that it was 872 00:40:14,539 --> 00:40:12,689 you know just showed me no matter what 873 00:40:16,609 --> 00:40:14,549 you think and no matter how hard your 874 00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:16,619 research and no matter what you do to 875 00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,569 kind of think things out you can very 876 00:40:23,959 --> 00:40:21,359 much be wrong all the time given the 877 00:40:26,959 --> 00:40:23,969 Pentagon is right so I don't know who to 878 00:40:30,289 --> 00:40:26,969 believe I really don't I own ously have 879 00:40:33,499 --> 00:40:30,299 zero clue but the evidence shows that 880 00:40:35,949 --> 00:40:33,509 those 38 reports were it and the reason 881 00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:35,959 why I say that again is the DIA an 882 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:38,779 intelligence community agency 883 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:41,010 communicating with the United States 884 00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:43,290 senator saying this is everything a tip 885 00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,830 did now are they lying to Senator McCain 886 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:48,540 possibly that's it we'll entertain that 887 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:50,850 possibility but at this point that's an 888 00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,330 official document and for the DIA to lie 889 00:40:59,240 --> 00:40:57,180 to a US senator like that saying this is 890 00:41:01,640 --> 00:40:59,250 everything that that that program 891 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:01,650 produced that would be that would be 892 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,570 very newsworthy and it would open up a 893 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:05,640 lot of other cans of worms well in those 894 00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:08,130 38 reports where there's clearly nothing 895 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:10,440 to do about UFOs or you if he's or 896 00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:12,690 phenomena or researching videos or crash 897 00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:14,790 saucers or anything like that that is 898 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,720 not what those 38 reports are about and 899 00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:20,280 they were just reports there was no 900 00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:24,470 investigating going on there and so for 901 00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:28,460 Elizondo to be the director of a report 902 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:32,190 think-tank right which is what a tip was 903 00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:35,610 I don't get that it may be a project 904 00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:38,280 coordinator or where he was signing 905 00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:41,820 homework for everybody okay let's go 906 00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:44,310 that far but clearly there was nothing 907 00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:48,680 in those 30 reports about UFOs but 908 00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:51,990 Elizondo himself said and I'm quoting 909 00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:55,020 here I need your response a tip itself 910 00:42:01,760 --> 00:41:58,110 spent its entire time on UFOs 911 00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,770 end quote now obviously that is not the 912 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:03,900 case there's nothing about you opposing 913 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:06,450 a tip in those reports and then he 914 00:42:12,590 --> 00:42:10,290 continues he says in 2019 at the 915 00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:12,600 anomalous aerospace phenomena a ap 916 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:15,990 conference he said a tip was a 100 917 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:19,650 percent UFO program period it was not 918 00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:21,570 looking at airplanes 919 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:24,420 end quote I don't know what to do with 920 00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:27,180 this John it's it's clearly 921 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:30,150 contradicting each other either you take 922 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:33,570 the report the reports and a tip as for 923 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:35,370 what it is and you listen to the 924 00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:38,730 Pentagon or you listen to one guy 925 00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:43,350 Elizondo saying the exact opposite and I 926 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:45,030 I just don't know what to do with it 927 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:48,330 I be honest with you neither do i it the 928 00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,210 the right answer is for mr. Lewis 929 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:53,460 Elizondo to address it plain and simple 930 00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:54,930 whether to me whether to you 931 00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,240 whether to the New York Times whether to 932 00:43:02,660 --> 00:42:59,880 vice news whether to popular mechanic 933 00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:02,670 but to sit down and address the 934 00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:05,700 discrepancy and if the Pentagon is truly 935 00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:07,500 doing a character assassination I'm 936 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,569 gonna be blatantly honest with you I am 937 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:11,760 a taxpayer that pays way too much taxes 938 00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:14,250 every year right and if my government 939 00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:16,020 that I'm paying all those taxes to is 940 00:43:21,319 --> 00:43:19,559 willing to trash a DoD employee I come 941 00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:21,329 from a military family I want to know 942 00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:23,550 that and I want to profile it and I want 943 00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,319 to make sure his name is cleared meaning 944 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:27,480 mr. Elizondo mm-hmm and so the right 945 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:29,609 answer is for mr. Elizondo to say look 946 00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:32,130 this is the reality of it the Pentagon 947 00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,160 is lying or whatever PC way he wants to 948 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:37,380 say it or eloquent way to say it but he 949 00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:40,170 needs to go on the record ignoring this 950 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:43,319 only leads to speculation and trying to 951 00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:45,450 put together the pieces and the only 952 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:47,160 pieces that are being offered right now 953 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:49,530 is from the Pentagon they're speaking 954 00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:52,170 through FOIA they're speak slowly 955 00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:54,510 might I add but speaking through the 956 00:44:01,220 --> 00:43:58,079 Pentagon PR office and when mistakes are 957 00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:01,230 made or a mistake I should say they have 958 00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,430 corrected it now T TSA was praised by 959 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:07,680 some of their biggest fans they were 960 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:10,650 they were praised for correcting their 961 00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,970 mistakes that they've made in the past 962 00:44:15,859 --> 00:44:13,980 and we can get into exactly what those 963 00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:15,869 mistakes are if you want but they've 964 00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:18,569 issued apology at least one apology that 965 00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:21,390 I know of for a blunder that they made 966 00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:23,790 and of course they are praised for it 967 00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:25,589 but when the Pentagon makes a mistake 968 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:29,790 that same crowd that praised T TSA will 969 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:32,970 now dismiss everything that the Pentagon 970 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:36,450 is stating in now up until the future 971 00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:37,890 and everything that they've stated in 972 00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:39,720 the past they just blank it say they're 973 00:44:44,059 --> 00:44:41,700 a bunch of big liars and that's it and 974 00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:44,069 so it's a very hard position for a 975 00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:45,960 researcher or an investigator to be in 976 00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:48,030 because I'm trying to get the answers 977 00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:51,720 but only one side is speaking to me and 978 00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,990 if mr. Elizondo would would maybe 979 00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:56,819 address some of this again to whomever 980 00:45:02,960 --> 00:44:59,579 he chooses we could potentially clear 981 00:45:06,049 --> 00:45:02,970 some of this up sadly though he chooses 982 00:45:08,810 --> 00:45:06,059 to ignore my requests and I don't know 983 00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:08,820 what other requests he may get on a same 984 00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:11,100 similar topic that here ignores I can 985 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:13,230 only speak for what I've sent to him but 986 00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,170 he has ignored that and that's 987 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:18,720 problematic if it's a public benefit 988 00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:20,910 corporation that wants to inform the 989 00:45:24,830 --> 00:45:23,100 public about what's going on he should 990 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:24,840 have no concerns about informing the 991 00:45:29,090 --> 00:45:26,850 public about what's going on and if his 992 00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:29,100 former employer wants to trash him and 993 00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:32,340 he has proof to the contrary I would 994 00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:34,230 hope that he shows it and and I've 995 00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:37,710 offered for more than more than quite a 996 00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,420 few months now since the story broke 997 00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:42,000 that I would be first in line to tweet 998 00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,070 out right about blast on my site and and 999 00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:49,020 support the evidence that he could bring 1000 00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:50,790 out to contradict the Pentagon because I 1001 00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:52,020 know that they have been wrong in the 1002 00:45:56,810 --> 00:45:54,870 past and yet that has yet to happen 1003 00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,820 so I'm sitting tight I really don't know 1004 00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,800 what to believe but I will say the 1005 00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,160 silence creates a very big problem when 1006 00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:05,280 it comes to that pursuit of the truth if 1007 00:46:14,290 --> 00:46:10,920 and I stated this publicly last week and 1008 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:14,300 I said very clearly that if the Pentagon 1009 00:46:24,350 --> 00:46:19,170 was attacking me or my wife or my family 1010 00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:24,360 in this fashion I I hold man I would 1011 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:27,900 stop at nothing to get things straight 1012 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:30,890 yeah I wouldn't sit on my hands and 1013 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:34,170 ignore this hoping it's gonna just go 1014 00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:37,110 away yeah you know and that that's the 1015 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:41,520 wrong approach why look if you want it 1016 00:46:48,590 --> 00:46:43,710 to go away because apparently there's 1017 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:48,600 issues with it if if it was true 1018 00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:51,570 to what the Pentagon was saying about me 1019 00:46:59,720 --> 00:46:57,060 and or how how do I say this that my 1020 00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:59,730 know it that it was untrue about my 1021 00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:02,280 position being truth I'm gonna stand up 1022 00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,300 for what is right 1023 00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:05,760 and I'm not going to have my name or my 1024 00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:08,100 family dragged through this in such a 1025 00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:11,340 way unless there's issues and you don't 1026 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:13,140 want to confront it head-on because you 1027 00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:13,770 can't 1028 00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:16,080 that would be the only thing stopping me 1029 00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,140 from doing it because I would owe 1030 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:22,020 man yeah it would it would make you mad 1031 00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,450 and and that allegiance which I respect 1032 00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,280 mister Elizondo for who's spoken about 1033 00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,560 his patriotism and like I said I come 1034 00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:31,200 from a military family and I understand 1035 00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:33,780 that respect it and and praise that in 1036 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:34,710 his own right 1037 00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:38,010 whence when when the government if this 1038 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:40,200 is a character assassination is trashing 1039 00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,170 him that allegiance should go only out 1040 00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:45,720 the window with that issue and he should 1041 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:48,780 start giving that evidence and bringing 1042 00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,330 it forward and saying you know what I am 1043 00:47:57,140 --> 00:47:54,000 talking about unclassified issues this 1044 00:47:59,570 --> 00:47:57,150 is who I am and here is proof I'll give 1045 00:48:03,980 --> 00:47:59,580 you a very quick example of of something 1046 00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:03,990 that I feel he can do meaning mr. 1047 00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:05,880 Elizondo but has chosen not to and I 1048 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:06,720 don't know why 1049 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:09,090 recently I interviewed a man who was a 1050 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:12,090 former employee of Bigelow Aerospace a 1051 00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:14,730 bass and his name is Chris Marx and 1052 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:16,740 Chris has come forward with a story 1053 00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:19,890 where he has concerns that during his 1054 00:48:27,590 --> 00:48:25,590 tenure as a employee of bass he feels 1055 00:48:30,590 --> 00:48:27,600 like maybe there was experimentation 1056 00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:30,600 going on against his wishes and against 1057 00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:32,910 his knowledge and he believes that quite 1058 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:35,340 possibly it was awesome money that 1059 00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:39,660 funded that research that that was again 1060 00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:42,990 against him testing against a human 1061 00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,240 being and so he has concerns about that 1062 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:46,800 he's not making allegations but rather 1063 00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:49,050 posing some very interesting questions I 1064 00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:51,060 heard this was very intrigued by it 1065 00:49:00,440 --> 00:48:55,680 because part of his story may know we 1066 00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:00,450 lost you John we just lost John's intern 1067 00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:07,980 yep show enough that is some government 1068 00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:16,830 interference for you Wow Wow okay and 1069 00:49:24,350 --> 00:49:20,310 I'm looking at the clock I could go to a 1070 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:24,360 break right here this this is great you 1071 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:31,170 like that right at the moment and I went 1072 00:49:35,950 --> 00:49:32,250 out when it 1073 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:35,960 I don't freak out anymore I enjoy this 1074 00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:40,890 that is did you hear the beat yep I 1075 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:43,950 don't know John yeah he's uh let's try 1076 00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:47,640 this again and I'm gonna yeah I am and I 1077 00:49:56,359 --> 00:49:52,230 am I'm all good here let's see if ya can 1078 00:50:01,640 --> 00:49:56,369 hear me but that that was some that was 1079 00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:01,650 some anise a V that was some DoD running 1080 00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:04,680 interference man that was a it just it 1081 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:08,099 just died out died on my end but where 1082 00:50:15,319 --> 00:50:11,450 did I get cut off I don't know where I 1083 00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:15,329 the revelations coming from Chris yeah 1084 00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,400 so so he's bringing forward these these 1085 00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,440 questions and concerns and so I wasn't 1086 00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:21,599 gonna bring him onto my show without 1087 00:50:27,380 --> 00:50:24,750 asking for proof of who he says he is 1088 00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:27,390 and so I asked him I said can you prove 1089 00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:30,119 the Bigelow Aerospace employment can you 1090 00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:33,500 prove your background as a military 1091 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:35,940 personnel and military officer can you 1092 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,250 prove some of the stuff that he was 1093 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:40,380 claiming to me privately because he and 1094 00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:42,089 I had spoken for hours before we ever 1095 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:45,599 did the show and within the day that I 1096 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:49,650 asked he had ample evidence to show the 1097 00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,310 history of what he was claiming where he 1098 00:50:58,579 --> 00:50:55,680 was claiming it with photo with with 1099 00:51:01,099 --> 00:50:58,589 photographs with pay stubs from Bigelow 1100 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:01,109 Aerospace with checks that were not even 1101 00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,970 blurred out now if he doesn't mind me 1102 00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:04,800 saying that but meaning I saw the whole 1103 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,660 thing it's not like he you know blurred 1104 00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:08,640 out 90% of the check and it's like his 1105 00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:10,380 name and you have no idea you know where 1106 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:10,920 it came from 1107 00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:13,770 right he sent everything and my whole 1108 00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:15,240 point of bringing this up because I do 1109 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:18,030 give him kudos for that is that if 1110 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:20,810 somebody has questions about who you are 1111 00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:23,490 you should be able to kind of 1112 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:26,099 essentially prove it and and that's what 1113 00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:28,170 I would hope that mr. Elizondo will one 1114 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:30,780 day do with someone that says you know 1115 00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:32,970 what I did work on a tip and here's 1116 00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:35,700 proof here's an unclassified report that 1117 00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,579 I created here's an unclassified message 1118 00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,619 that I sent with my signature line that 1119 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:42,599 says you know director of a tip or 1120 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:45,690 whatever there's got to be something 1121 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:47,250 in the DoD and the Pentagon you don't 1122 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:50,700 just work on things secretly and no one 1123 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:53,490 knows you know I just of course there's 1124 00:51:59,240 --> 00:51:56,130 black budget programs of course you know 1125 00:52:01,820 --> 00:51:59,250 there's secrecy going on of course but 1126 00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:01,830 for only one man to be operating within 1127 00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:04,380 the Pentagon that only he can prove I 1128 00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:07,080 just don't buy it so I'm hoping that 1129 00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,720 evidence produces itself like again 1130 00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:12,480 Chris was able to produce to me when 1131 00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,240 somebody asks or questions your work 1132 00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:17,520 history and to date that has yet to 1133 00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:21,720 happen I have and so do you and anybody 1134 00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:26,040 else I have a paper trail of every word 1135 00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,750 that I've ever worked going back decades 1136 00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:32,160 I've got I would have to go through 1137 00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:35,700 boxes in my garage but I got lots of 1138 00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:39,990 stuff that stuff I got stuff I got 1139 00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:41,790 business cards I got whatever I got 1140 00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:44,940 company party pictures I've got email 1141 00:52:51,350 --> 00:52:48,960 letter reports things done pay stub 1142 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:51,360 taxes everything I've got all of it to 1143 00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:54,570 back everything if I had to you know 1144 00:53:01,220 --> 00:52:58,440 only because we all have our stuff we 1145 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:01,230 have it you know so one piece of paper 1146 00:53:05,810 --> 00:53:03,690 and then we could just move on you know 1147 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:05,820 I had made a I gotta take a break right 1148 00:53:12,830 --> 00:53:07,770 here but I made this comment last week 1149 00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:12,840 and I I really stand behind this which 1150 00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:20,060 is I feel that the impact of TTS a is is 1151 00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:22,950 fading and it's on the down it's it's 1152 00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:26,280 fading fading fading certainly compared 1153 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:27,510 to where it was two years ago 1154 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:30,810 my interest is fading with it it's just 1155 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:35,010 like it's almost like they're a canceled 1156 00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:38,370 check it's almost at that point where 1157 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:40,760 I'm not concerned about it anymore and 1158 00:53:50,770 --> 00:53:47,130 your article only solidifies my loss of 1159 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:50,780 interest right that this just may be 1160 00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:53,490 nothing and that the entire community 1161 00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:56,670 got stirred up and there are emotions 1162 00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:57,570 and every 1163 00:54:03,590 --> 00:54:01,680 but he was so happy and the a near we 1164 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:03,600 are two years later let's take a break 1165 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:06,120 right here John this is fade to black I 1166 00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:08,010 am your host Amy Church I guess tonight 1167 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:09,660 John Greenwald in the black ball we got 1168 00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:11,610 lots more to talk about tonight and 1169 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:13,560 we're gonna get to all of it when we 1170 00:54:18,350 --> 00:54:17,010 come back one of them we're gonna talk 1171 00:54:20,540 --> 00:54:18,360 about we're gonna talk about the FAA 1172 00:54:23,570 --> 00:54:20,550 we're not quite done with the Air Force 1173 00:54:26,090 --> 00:54:23,580 though or their army or the air the Navy 1174 00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:26,100 the Marines and we're gonna talk some 1175 00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:28,020 Twitter - we'll be right back after this 1176 00:54:31,110 --> 00:55:05,800 [Music] 1177 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:08,300 [Applause] 1178 00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:10,570 welcome back fade to black I'm the OCME 1179 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:12,790 Church on the game changer network in 1180 00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:15,010 Katy RA the planet tonight John 1181 00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:17,619 Greenwald is with us of the black fault 1182 00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:19,660 tomorrow night's fate or night open 1183 00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:22,960 lines all night long it's my favorite 1184 00:55:28,770 --> 00:55:25,180 night of the week besides when John 1185 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:28,780 Greenwald is on with this John check 1186 00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:31,210 this out we have we have a strange 1187 00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:34,089 situation that we we all need to just 1188 00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:36,820 get out there and understand because 1189 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:43,230 when the Pentagon or the military says 1190 00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,810 the Navy you ApS 1191 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:48,640 right this that that's what's in these 1192 00:55:56,310 --> 00:55:52,170 video the videos are you ApS suddenly 1193 00:55:58,319 --> 00:55:56,320 everybody's happy and that and I'm glad 1194 00:55:59,520 --> 00:55:58,329 that the media grabbed the story I 1195 00:56:01,880 --> 00:55:59,530 remember you and I beam on 1196 00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:01,890 coast-to-coast that night breaking this 1197 00:56:08,910 --> 00:56:05,500 from the weekend and then Monday right 1198 00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:08,920 Oh mad that was a was that was a pretty 1199 00:56:18,359 --> 00:56:14,800 fun ride but when the Pentagon says what 1200 00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:18,369 they the flag wavers don't want to hear 1201 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:22,300 then they say the Pentagon is lying and 1202 00:56:28,579 --> 00:56:25,569 we have a very it's it's like we're 1203 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:28,589 walking paradoxes in the UFO community 1204 00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:33,130 it's like it's it's the strangest thing 1205 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:37,020 it changes the definition of paradox and 1206 00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:41,530 and now I have to ask what is the rest 1207 00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:44,560 of the military doing with the UAP 1208 00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:48,700 subject that's the Navy came out and and 1209 00:56:53,490 --> 00:56:50,680 dropped the UAP bomb what about the Air 1210 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:53,500 Force the Marines or the army do they 1211 00:57:00,839 --> 00:56:57,250 have any procedures for reporting you 1212 00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:00,849 ApS yeah I haven't published this yet 1213 00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:02,920 but I'll I'll talk about it with ya I 1214 00:57:07,290 --> 00:57:05,260 did get another statement from from the 1215 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:07,300 Pentagon that is you know nothing 1216 00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:09,490 earth-shattering yet but it focuses in 1217 00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:11,950 on the Air Force because what you just 1218 00:57:17,819 --> 00:57:15,369 asked is a very natural next question to 1219 00:57:21,089 --> 00:57:17,829 hey wait a minute if the Navy is taking 1220 00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:21,099 this seriously what about the branch of 1221 00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:22,150 the military 1222 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:24,520 that primarily flies in the sky you know 1223 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:26,890 what are they doing and the US Air Force 1224 00:57:32,849 --> 00:57:30,130 has been eerily silent about the whole 1225 00:57:35,339 --> 00:57:32,859 thing with the US Navy now I've tried to 1226 00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:35,349 pursue statements now for months since 1227 00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,510 those Navy statements came in with the 1228 00:57:43,799 --> 00:57:40,480 US Air Force finally last week I did get 1229 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:43,809 a short statement that number one the 1230 00:57:51,180 --> 00:57:47,410 Air Force does not have any you AAP 1231 00:57:54,029 --> 00:57:51,190 guidelines procedures manuals or 1232 00:57:56,519 --> 00:57:54,039 anything so contrary to what the Navy is 1233 00:58:01,049 --> 00:57:56,529 saying that these UAP whatever they are 1234 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:01,059 that are creating a concern over the 1235 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:03,250 threat as they are doing these 1236 00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:06,490 incursions on Navy installations the Air 1237 00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:08,440 Force is not saying the same thing and 1238 00:58:13,799 --> 00:58:10,809 that that really boggles my mind a 1239 00:58:15,319 --> 00:58:13,809 little bit because it's like well if 1240 00:58:18,299 --> 00:58:15,329 foreign intelligence 1241 00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,309 here on earth or let's say a foreign 1242 00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:20,319 intelligence maybe not so much on earth 1243 00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,020 if they are spying on us or coming down 1244 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:25,359 and they're surveilling us they're not 1245 00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:27,250 gonna like leaned over and whispered to 1246 00:58:33,089 --> 00:58:30,220 each other okay only go to US Navy 1247 00:58:34,859 --> 00:58:33,099 facilities don't worry about any Air 1248 00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,869 Force Ones you know so if the Navy is 1249 00:58:39,089 --> 00:58:36,880 having the problem why wouldn't the Air 1250 00:58:42,089 --> 00:58:39,099 Force now the Pentagon told me and I'll 1251 00:58:44,849 --> 00:58:42,099 quote it here incursions reported by US 1252 00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:44,859 Air Force pilots most frequently involve 1253 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:48,700 unmanned aerial systems UAS is being 1254 00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,130 flown near flight lines so they're 1255 00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,440 essentially saying that any encounter 1256 00:58:58,260 --> 00:58:56,079 with US Air Force is primarily drones 1257 00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,270 that that's that's kind of what they're 1258 00:59:03,269 --> 00:59:00,880 falling back on so it's a very highly 1259 00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,279 contradictory way to approach the Air 1260 00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:06,160 Force's problem then how the US Navy 1261 00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,460 approached their problem which was 1262 00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:12,160 whatever these are they call them you ap 1263 00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:13,720 the Air Force says yeah they're 1264 00:59:18,539 --> 00:59:15,910 primarily drones you know and it's a 1265 00:59:20,130 --> 00:59:18,549 really weird way for the Pentagon to 1266 00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:20,140 really kind of approach this that one 1267 00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,630 branch of the military says yes it's a 1268 00:59:28,109 --> 00:59:25,359 problem we're investigating them they're 1269 00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:28,119 they're guidelines to do so but they're 1270 00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:29,529 heavily classified so we're not going to 1271 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:31,900 give them to you that is the US Navy the 1272 00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:34,690 Air Force says we have no guidelines we 1273 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:35,960 haven't cared to make any 1274 00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:37,730 because all the encounters are 1275 00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:40,070 essentially drones anyway and so it's 1276 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:41,300 it's very very weird 1277 00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,130 the next line which I'll quote from that 1278 00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,040 statement which again I I haven't 1279 00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,599 haven't published this yet because I am 1280 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:49,520 doing follow-ups to try and take the 1281 00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:53,210 next step here but quote the US Navy 1282 00:59:58,570 --> 00:59:55,460 investigates all reports of incursions 1283 01:00:00,640 --> 00:59:58,580 reported by Navy pilots and for those 1284 01:00:03,490 --> 01:00:00,650 initially reported as unidentified 1285 01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:03,500 aerial phenomena seeks to identify them 1286 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:06,680 whenever possible some incursions are 1287 01:00:14,260 --> 01:00:10,490 eventually identified as UAS s-some as 1288 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:14,270 other aerospace craft and others remain 1289 01:00:19,390 --> 01:00:17,690 characterized as unidentified so you can 1290 01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,400 even see by this statement here that 1291 01:00:23,859 --> 01:00:21,680 it's one single line about US Air Force 1292 01:00:26,260 --> 01:00:23,869 pilots and their encounters with drones 1293 01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:26,270 and then you have the next one that goes 1294 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:28,670 into more detail with the US Navy that 1295 01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:30,290 says yeah some are drones 1296 01:00:35,530 --> 01:00:32,540 some are aerospace craft whatever those 1297 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:35,540 are and there are some that they 1298 01:00:40,210 --> 01:00:38,570 characterize as unidentified so that to 1299 01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:40,220 me really makes me scratch my head it's 1300 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:41,839 like wait a minute what do you guys what 1301 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,130 do you guys say in here like why is 1302 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:46,240 there such a difference between the two 1303 01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:48,650 military branches and I don't have an 1304 01:00:52,450 --> 01:00:50,150 answer to that yeah which is primarily 1305 01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,460 why I haven't published that statement 1306 01:00:58,900 --> 01:00:55,280 but I am pursuing what happens when Air 1307 01:01:01,930 --> 01:00:58,910 Force bases and installations do have 1308 01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:01,940 incursions on them by an unknown craft 1309 01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:05,420 of whatever kind because you know the 1310 01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:08,000 Air Force if you fly a drone if if Jimmy 1311 01:01:12,550 --> 01:01:09,980 Church gets a new drone and he runs over 1312 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:12,560 to Nellis Air Force Base and he flies it 1313 01:01:15,070 --> 01:01:13,970 to go try and take some pictures in 1314 01:01:16,750 --> 01:01:15,080 restricted airspace 1315 01:01:18,099 --> 01:01:16,760 they're not gonna look at that and go 1316 01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:18,109 well there's Jimmy flying his drone 1317 01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:20,990 again okay well we don't have any manual 1318 01:01:24,609 --> 01:01:23,150 so there's nothing we can do no there 1319 01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:24,619 there's there's something that they're 1320 01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:26,990 gonna do and so what I'm looking for is 1321 01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:29,270 what are the manuals and procedures for 1322 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:32,660 that and that's that's the question 1323 01:01:35,980 --> 01:01:33,410 right now 1324 01:01:38,849 --> 01:01:35,990 yeah and what about the Marines in the 1325 01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:38,859 army they have pilots too 1326 01:01:45,070 --> 01:01:41,599 as of this point they have not not 1327 01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,080 referenced and/or addressed anything yet 1328 01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:47,599 I say yet because quite possibly I've 1329 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:49,700 tried to pursue that too but 1330 01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:51,650 at this point there's nothing to report 1331 01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:53,510 because they haven't said anything yet 1332 01:02:00,400 --> 01:01:56,900 now could there be and I know that we 1333 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:00,410 were all excited it hasn't really 1334 01:02:05,650 --> 01:02:03,290 changed for me but I I do have to ask 1335 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:05,660 the question when the Navy came out and 1336 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:07,970 said to you AP concerning the videos and 1337 01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:12,410 and used those three letters could it be 1338 01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:17,180 that they had to use unidentified aerial 1339 01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:21,710 phenomenon because it was covering up a 1340 01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:23,900 black project or something else that 1341 01:02:28,570 --> 01:02:25,460 they were working on some type of 1342 01:02:31,330 --> 01:02:28,580 weapons testing and they couldn't say 1343 01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:31,340 and can't say what it actually was and 1344 01:02:38,530 --> 01:02:35,390 the only safe coverage is to say yeah 1345 01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:38,540 it's you a piece that's absolutely a 1346 01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:41,000 logical question and way to view this 1347 01:02:46,450 --> 01:02:44,060 and and that's a possibility but then 1348 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:46,460 you you you essentially pave the way 1349 01:02:53,530 --> 01:02:50,890 that the military now is creating a UFO 1350 01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:53,540 phenomena for their own benefit I'm not 1351 01:02:58,810 --> 01:02:56,720 saying that's not not the reality here 1352 01:03:03,850 --> 01:02:58,820 they wouldn't be the first time well 1353 01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:03,860 yeah yeah I mean if they are doing that 1354 01:03:11,050 --> 01:03:07,910 in my personal opinion that creates more 1355 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:11,060 of an issue for them if they rather than 1356 01:03:18,310 --> 01:03:14,930 saying look yes we're aware of the 2004 1357 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:18,320 Nimitz encounter but it's it's it's you 1358 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:19,910 know classified and we're not going to 1359 01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:22,370 go into it or it's it's military 1360 01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,260 technology but it's it's currently and 1361 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:26,960 properly classified that to me would be 1362 01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:30,170 a safer way to get out of this to create 1363 01:03:36,460 --> 01:03:33,560 this whole narrative around UFOs or you 1364 01:03:39,130 --> 01:03:36,470 ApS look at what the mainstream media 1365 01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:39,140 has done with it and look at how the 1366 01:03:43,810 --> 01:03:41,570 public is dealt with it and the public 1367 01:03:46,330 --> 01:03:43,820 is creating this out roar for more 1368 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:46,340 answers which I support I believe we 1369 01:03:50,530 --> 01:03:48,050 need more answers so don't take that the 1370 01:03:53,650 --> 01:03:50,540 wrong way but it's like that creates a 1371 01:03:55,530 --> 01:03:53,660 lot more noise for them to do that then 1372 01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:55,540 it would be for them to just say look 1373 01:04:00,070 --> 01:03:57,650 there are classified pieces of 1374 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:00,080 technology that we often test in and 1375 01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:03,410 around our you know military units 1376 01:04:07,770 --> 01:04:05,990 the the information is properly 1377 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:07,780 classified or something to that effect 1378 01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:10,010 what are you gonna do at that point you 1379 01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:11,630 you you essentially just kind of give up 1380 01:04:16,510 --> 01:04:13,430 like what can you do with that it's 1381 01:04:18,460 --> 01:04:16,520 truthful they're not lying and it's 1382 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,470 classified so it shuts down any further 1383 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:21,200 enquiries right but their narrative 1384 01:04:26,020 --> 01:04:24,290 saying UFOs are you IPS just paves the 1385 01:04:27,850 --> 01:04:26,030 way for a heck of a lot more headache 1386 01:04:30,970 --> 01:04:27,860 we've got a lot of stuff to talk about 1387 01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:30,980 tonight and but I want to wrap up a 1388 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:33,380 couple of thoughts here and which is 1389 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:37,250 this Nimitz and Roosevelt East Coast 1390 01:04:43,030 --> 01:04:41,210 West Coast 11 years apart do you feel 1391 01:04:46,570 --> 01:04:43,040 this is a yes or no question do you feel 1392 01:04:49,330 --> 01:04:46,580 that the phenomena that occurred at both 1393 01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:49,340 locations all those 11 years apart were 1394 01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:53,870 the same phenomenon no okay 1395 01:05:02,680 --> 01:04:59,200 based on that those were two naval 1396 01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:02,690 exercises off of the coast of the United 1397 01:05:10,030 --> 01:05:07,760 States very similar environments right 1398 01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:10,040 naval exercises to aircraft carrier 1399 01:05:17,530 --> 01:05:14,720 groups it's the Navy the encounters 1400 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:17,540 didn't happen in wartime 1401 01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:20,450 it didn't happen over land it didn't 1402 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:25,120 happen over Kansas City during exercises 1403 01:05:31,450 --> 01:05:29,090 it happened during naval exercises with 1404 01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:31,460 two carrier battle groups off of the 1405 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:32,870 east coast of west coast of the United 1406 01:05:39,850 --> 01:05:37,370 States why isn't that simple question 1407 01:05:43,930 --> 01:05:39,860 it's too much coincidence going on here 1408 01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:43,940 right it wasn't an encounter with the 1409 01:05:51,820 --> 01:05:48,500 Air Force in Germany at Ramstein yeah 1410 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:51,830 we're talking about two very strangely 1411 01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,330 similar environments and why isn't that 1412 01:06:02,620 --> 01:05:58,640 question being put out there more and 1413 01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:02,630 being addressed directly well I would 1414 01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:05,240 argue that it is actually being put out 1415 01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:06,950 there that the problem is actually 1416 01:06:12,490 --> 01:06:09,680 getting answers I'll only speak for 1417 01:06:14,770 --> 01:06:12,500 myself here I I did pursuit one of my 1418 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:14,780 eleven points that I that I referenced I 1419 01:06:19,580 --> 01:06:17,130 did ask specific 1420 01:06:21,860 --> 01:06:19,590 let's get away from the UAP thing for a 1421 01:06:24,430 --> 01:06:21,870 second and focused in that if the Air 1422 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:24,440 Force was testing classified technology 1423 01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:26,970 utilizing it against the most powerful 1424 01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,640 Navy in the world but essentially seeing 1425 01:06:33,110 --> 01:06:31,440 how pilots could track it how pilots 1426 01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:33,120 would react to it what were its 1427 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:34,860 capabilities that to me is a very 1428 01:06:40,790 --> 01:06:38,610 logical way to look at it however the 1429 01:06:43,940 --> 01:06:40,800 Pentagon stated paraphrasing here but 1430 01:06:47,180 --> 01:06:43,950 stated that they do not do that without 1431 01:06:49,930 --> 01:06:47,190 the Navy's knowledge and in addition 1432 01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:49,940 they also told me that during the 1433 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:53,400 process of the Navy investigations they 1434 01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:55,530 do coordinate with other military 1435 01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:58,170 branches to cross-reference whether or 1436 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:01,740 not whatever the UAP was could it have 1437 01:07:05,780 --> 01:07:04,410 been let's say Air Force technology so 1438 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:05,790 what they're saying is is during the 1439 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:07,530 course of the investigation they do 1440 01:07:12,290 --> 01:07:10,290 reach out to the Air Force I am pursuing 1441 01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:12,300 that which again is why you haven't seen 1442 01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:14,430 some of those quotes yet because there's 1443 01:07:20,090 --> 01:07:17,460 still some open-ended question marks so 1444 01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:20,100 it is being pursued but I can tell you 1445 01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:21,980 that the article that you did read 1446 01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:25,020 published just days ago that you did 1447 01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:28,350 quote from that took since at least 1448 01:07:35,030 --> 01:07:31,980 September first since I was sending 1449 01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:35,040 those questions out and so from 1450 01:07:41,570 --> 01:07:38,160 September first to pretty much within 24 1451 01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:41,580 hours of my publish that here in you 1452 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:44,220 know almost mid-december that is how 1453 01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,730 long it takes and so the military is not 1454 01:07:52,610 --> 01:07:50,480 quick to address any of this stuff 1455 01:07:55,580 --> 01:07:52,620 especially when you're possibly 1456 01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:55,590 encroaching on a classified area but I 1457 01:07:59,300 --> 01:07:57,000 did find it very interesting because 1458 01:08:01,280 --> 01:07:59,310 that was an out for the military they 1459 01:08:04,220 --> 01:08:01,290 could have said yes we absolutely test 1460 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:04,230 within the vicinity of naval exercise 1461 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:06,810 sure and they they didn't do that and so 1462 01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:08,010 that they essentially said that they 1463 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:09,960 would not do that now that doesn't mean 1464 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:11,730 that that's gospel and they possibly 1465 01:08:17,620 --> 01:08:13,890 wouldn't test test classified technology 1466 01:08:20,660 --> 01:08:17,630 but again that's the official word the 1467 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:20,670 the road that we have been on and it's 1468 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:22,650 been a fun ride for a couple of years 1469 01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:24,810 and and trying to figure all of this out 1470 01:08:30,459 --> 01:08:28,140 I'm not sure where we are today but it I 1471 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:30,469 get the feeling that 1472 01:08:36,609 --> 01:08:34,489 we may be we may have seen all that 1473 01:08:38,919 --> 01:08:36,619 we're gonna see out of the Pentagon as 1474 01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:38,929 far as videos go cooperation of the 1475 01:08:43,779 --> 01:08:41,839 conversation about UFOs everything that 1476 01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:43,789 could have happened has already happened 1477 01:08:49,569 --> 01:08:47,089 do you think that we're at the end of 1478 01:08:52,779 --> 01:08:49,579 that cooperation probably because this 1479 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:52,789 is all handled wrong Jimmy challenge 1480 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:53,690 accepted 1481 01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,690 I will fight for more information videos 1482 01:09:01,180 --> 01:08:59,359 photographs documents manuals procedures 1483 01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:01,190 guidelines I'll keep fighting for it 1484 01:09:06,669 --> 01:09:04,190 do I think it's the end well I never 1485 01:09:08,379 --> 01:09:06,679 want to say that because I'm always 1486 01:09:10,989 --> 01:09:08,389 pleasantly surprised that additional 1487 01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:10,999 information will come out one thing that 1488 01:09:13,959 --> 01:09:12,380 I want to make sure I bring up that goes 1489 01:09:16,450 --> 01:09:13,969 to this question but expands a little 1490 01:09:19,029 --> 01:09:16,460 bit more is the potential that this is 1491 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:19,039 all a lie by the United States 1492 01:09:23,410 --> 01:09:20,690 government and the Pentagon to switch 1493 01:09:25,029 --> 01:09:23,420 their stance about a tip and this is 1494 01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:25,039 another element that we haven't 1495 01:09:29,140 --> 01:09:26,900 discussed yet really which is the 1496 01:09:31,149 --> 01:09:29,150 Freedom of Information Act which yes 1497 01:09:33,459 --> 01:09:31,159 sometimes the public will argue I that 1498 01:09:35,559 --> 01:09:33,469 doesn't work well I've got 2.2 million 1499 01:09:38,879 --> 01:09:35,569 pages of reasons why I can show you it 1500 01:09:41,950 --> 01:09:38,889 does work and us app was an unclassified 1501 01:09:44,559 --> 01:09:41,960 program so you're dealing with something 1502 01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:44,569 that's not like NSA's prism and and 1503 01:09:49,149 --> 01:09:46,909 talking about Quorra 1504 01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:49,159 spying on on communications from the 1505 01:09:53,709 --> 01:09:51,049 general public and some very highly 1506 01:09:56,739 --> 01:09:53,719 classified cetera we're dealing with 1507 01:09:59,620 --> 01:09:56,749 unclassified levels and so the Freedom 1508 01:10:01,959 --> 01:09:59,630 of Information Act opens up a whole new 1509 01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:01,969 avenue for documentation and information 1510 01:10:06,759 --> 01:10:04,550 now why do I bring this up because if 1511 01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:06,769 the Pentagon is lying the Freedom of 1512 01:10:13,989 --> 01:10:09,940 Information Act will eventually catch up 1513 01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:13,999 to releasing information and if the 1514 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:16,489 Pentagon is lying and and incorporating 1515 01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:19,130 some kind of Corp cover-up technique 1516 01:10:23,979 --> 01:10:22,249 here what they have to achieve is not 1517 01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:23,989 only getting the Pentagon to stay 1518 01:10:29,799 --> 01:10:26,449 onboard with their message but they have 1519 01:10:32,379 --> 01:10:29,809 to funnel through to the years of FOIA 1520 01:10:34,180 --> 01:10:32,389 officers to come that if anybody ever 1521 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:34,190 talks or requests information about a 1522 01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:37,010 tip or us app you have to destroy and 1523 01:10:42,850 --> 01:10:41,150 and make disappear any evidence that 1524 01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:42,860 would contradict the Pentagon's 1525 01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:44,040 statement it's a 1526 01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:46,470 undertaking that's very difficult to do 1527 01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:49,440 even going back to 1947 which I feel is 1528 01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:52,260 a provable cover-up of some kind of the 1529 01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:54,420 raw of the Roswell incident right even 1530 01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:56,040 then when the freedom of information I 1531 01:10:59,330 --> 01:10:56,760 didn't exist 1532 01:11:01,340 --> 01:10:59,340 it was very hard for them to do that was 1533 01:11:03,620 --> 01:11:01,350 before the electronic age that was born 1534 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:03,630 before the FOIA that was before all this 1535 01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:06,330 stuff and yet they were unable to cover 1536 01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:08,100 it up now when you add all these other 1537 01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:10,230 elements in the 21st century it's near 1538 01:11:16,220 --> 01:11:13,380 impossible so if if this is some kind of 1539 01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:16,230 lie and cover up that evidence will be 1540 01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:19,590 released in in in the the weeks the 1541 01:11:24,140 --> 01:11:21,420 months or maybe even the years to come 1542 01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:24,150 but I think it will come out and in in 1543 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:26,190 that respect I would say this is not the 1544 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:26,610 end 1545 01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:28,290 maybe the Pentagon will say you know 1546 01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:29,460 what we're not doing any official 1547 01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,280 statements anymore but the documents 1548 01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:34,320 come from a different office and so 1549 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:35,520 that's why I would argue this is 1550 01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,410 definitely not the end and I will 1551 01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:39,120 continue to seek out that information 1552 01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:42,120 and if that information clears the name 1553 01:11:46,820 --> 01:11:44,550 of Lewis Elizondo I will be quick to 1554 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:46,830 post it I have no problems with that I 1555 01:11:50,900 --> 01:11:48,810 wish he would communicate a little bit 1556 01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:50,910 more with the general public and some of 1557 01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:53,310 those questions to help address what the 1558 01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:56,460 Pentagon is saying but until then the 1559 01:12:00,620 --> 01:11:58,440 next step is to wait for some of these 1560 01:12:03,530 --> 01:12:00,630 foils to be processed and see what they 1561 01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:03,540 yield yeah III look forward to that day 1562 01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:05,580 because I've wasted way too much time on 1563 01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:09,090 something that isn't real yeah I've 1564 01:12:14,450 --> 01:12:12,360 wasted you know it so come clean so we 1565 01:12:15,860 --> 01:12:14,460 can just stop talking about it so we can 1566 01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:15,870 officially just forget about this whole 1567 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:20,880 thing and move on the the other part of 1568 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:22,530 the the Pentagon statement that we 1569 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:26,610 didn't address tonight yet which is AUSA 1570 01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:31,890 and an a tip one program over on the 1571 01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:34,380 side writing reports whatever doing some 1572 01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:37,710 research okay and then there's if we're 1573 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:40,440 gonna put the put that to bed 1574 01:12:47,890 --> 01:12:43,530 - what about the other side that says 1575 01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:47,900 two separate programs ah sap was 1576 01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:51,540 interdimensional paranormal skinwalker 1577 01:12:59,120 --> 01:12:56,880 ranch portals to stargate research 1578 01:13:03,560 --> 01:12:59,130 and that's what that was for a tip was 1579 01:13:06,230 --> 01:13:03,570 dealing with Zeta Reticuli yeah now 1580 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:06,240 we're getting into a side of this that 1581 01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:09,570 really has no evidence to support it not 1582 01:13:14,780 --> 01:13:11,460 even mr. Elizondo as far as I am aware 1583 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:14,790 is talking about you know paranormal 1584 01:13:19,190 --> 01:13:17,010 poltergeist type research on skinwalker 1585 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:19,200 ranch right but there are some bloggers 1586 01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:20,490 out there that are trying to make that 1587 01:13:26,900 --> 01:13:23,490 case that skinwalker was the home for a 1588 01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,910 tip or a SAP and and bass operated out 1589 01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,760 of there and and that was it and and 1590 01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:30,960 that's where even though I have a lot of 1591 01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:32,580 respect for Chris Marc's posing the 1592 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:35,340 questions that he did on my program I 1593 01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:37,650 may respectfully disagree that off sap 1594 01:13:43,700 --> 01:13:41,310 money went to that however if it did and 1595 01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,710 skinwalker played a role in this and 1596 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:46,020 there was paranormal research and this 1597 01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:48,930 that and the other thing if that is true 1598 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:52,110 which I'm open to I absolutely am you 1599 01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:55,890 have to then consider this entire ordeal 1600 01:14:02,120 --> 01:13:59,400 and the 22 million dollars that was 1601 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:02,130 reported to go to Bigelow if that is 1602 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:04,650 ultimately true you have to entertain 1603 01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:06,930 the idea that this was what we would 1604 01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:09,540 call a sweetheart deal because this was 1605 01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:11,670 spearheaded by Senator Harry Reid and 1606 01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:14,430 he's the one that got the money and it 1607 01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,830 was awarded to one sole bidder as I've 1608 01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:18,540 already stated which was Robert Bigelow 1609 01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,670 and if you look at publicly available 1610 01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:22,800 documents you will see the Robert 1611 01:14:27,740 --> 01:14:25,920 Bigelow is a big donor to Heather to 1612 01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:27,750 Harry Reid or was a big donor I should 1613 01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:31,550 say while Senator Harry Reid was was a 1614 01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:34,560 senator or a sitting senator and so was 1615 01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:36,900 this a sweetheart deal so in my opinion 1616 01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:39,540 you can't have both to be true because 1617 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:41,910 when you look at again the publicly 1618 01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:44,250 available information you don't need to 1619 01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:46,350 look at leaked records when you look at 1620 01:14:52,010 --> 01:14:49,080 what all SAP was it has nothing to do 1621 01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:52,020 with not only UFOs or you ApS but 1622 01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:55,380 paranormal at all and so if that money 1623 01:15:01,280 --> 01:14:58,290 was given to Robert Bigelow you have to 1624 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:01,290 wonder well why why it like what are the 1625 01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:04,050 odds was this all coded language that 1626 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:05,940 they put out to the public and maybe 1627 01:15:10,820 --> 01:15:08,370 Lockheed could have got a UFO program in 1628 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:10,830 secret or some other agency 1629 01:15:15,650 --> 01:15:12,810 no in my opinion not I mean if this was 1630 01:15:17,690 --> 01:15:15,660 some kind of top-secret program they 1631 01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:17,700 would have never posted it publicly and 1632 01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:19,710 this would have been very much behind 1633 01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:22,440 the the scenes but the contrary is true 1634 01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:24,750 and it was something that is posted 1635 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:27,390 publicly and that Bigelow was the only 1636 01:15:32,180 --> 01:15:29,970 bidder if you also look at Harry Reid's 1637 01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,190 interviews what's very interesting is 1638 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:34,080 Harry Reid himself told New York 1639 01:15:39,980 --> 01:15:36,690 Magazine that he was talking to Robert 1640 01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:39,990 Bigelow about essentially creating a 1641 01:15:47,540 --> 01:15:43,890 program well before Senator Reid ever 1642 01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:47,550 went to senators in UA and Stephens 1643 01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:49,070 which were the co-sponsors of the bill 1644 01:15:53,210 --> 01:15:52,050 both deceased now so we can't ask them 1645 01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:53,220 to details 1646 01:15:58,670 --> 01:15:55,620 but Harry Reid said himself that he was 1647 01:16:01,850 --> 01:15:58,680 talking to Bigelow well before he ever 1648 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:01,860 got funding for this program now again 1649 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:05,130 what are the odds the head he's pretty 1650 01:16:09,230 --> 01:16:06,690 much coordinating with Robert Bigelow 1651 01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:09,240 according to his interview coordinating 1652 01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:12,060 with Robert Bigelow then gets money for 1653 01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:15,060 this program and then Robert Bigelow is 1654 01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:18,210 the only bidder that that to me again as 1655 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:21,060 a researcher does not make sense other 1656 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:23,610 than it was orchestrated that the money 1657 01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:26,010 was always gonna go to Robert Bigelow if 1658 01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:29,040 that is true then we have to talk about 1659 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:32,070 that public solicitation for bids which 1660 01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:34,370 outlined a program for weapons research 1661 01:16:38,810 --> 01:16:36,870 forward projecting into 40 years into 1662 01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:38,820 the future that had nothing to do with 1663 01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:41,820 the paranormal UFOs and you ApS and if 1664 01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:44,510 you me and everyone listening 1665 01:16:49,460 --> 01:16:47,190 contributed to the 22 million dollars of 1666 01:16:52,910 --> 01:16:49,470 taxpayer money that went to a private 1667 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:52,920 corporation to do what he wanted there's 1668 01:16:57,710 --> 01:16:54,570 a lot of questions there that need to be 1669 01:17:00,230 --> 01:16:57,720 answered it's not an accusation but if X 1670 01:17:03,530 --> 01:17:00,240 Y & Z are true then you got to entertain 1671 01:17:06,430 --> 01:17:03,540 a B and C and sadly that is what this is 1672 01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:06,440 turning out to be if it was a paranormal 1673 01:17:10,970 --> 01:17:08,820 program the bottom line though is 1674 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:10,980 Occam's razor if there's no evidence to 1675 01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,570 support that there were poltergeist 1676 01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:15,440 research cryptozoological research 1677 01:17:19,220 --> 01:17:17,880 whatever they want to say about portals 1678 01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:19,230 and this that and the other thing about 1679 01:17:24,379 --> 01:17:22,920 ah sap Occam's razor says it probably 1680 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:24,389 wasn't about that 1681 01:17:28,339 --> 01:17:26,130 and quite possibly was something else 1682 01:17:30,979 --> 01:17:28,349 entirely if Bigelow really did fund it 1683 01:17:32,810 --> 01:17:30,989 probably didn't come with us uh come 1684 01:17:35,899 --> 01:17:32,820 from us at money at least I hope it 1685 01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:35,909 didn't no it's a much simpler answer 1686 01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:38,760 it's definitely Occam's razor I've got 1687 01:17:47,060 --> 01:17:43,320 90 seconds quick question the talk has 1688 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:47,070 always been about military personnel 1689 01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:50,610 being seen at skinwalker that there is a 1690 01:17:54,979 --> 01:17:52,590 military influence there whether it was 1691 01:17:58,639 --> 01:17:54,989 Army Navy Air Force Marines Rangers 1692 01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,649 SEALs would have Special Forces are we 1693 01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:00,239 at that point now certainly after 1694 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:02,729 speaking with uh Chris marks that 1695 01:18:09,229 --> 01:18:06,090 millets US military personnel inside of 1696 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:09,239 the United States was on a privately 1697 01:18:14,779 --> 01:18:12,030 owned ranch that was doing paranormal 1698 01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:14,789 research are we at that point now are we 1699 01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,760 in the facts side of this well I don't 1700 01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:19,679 believe so no and very quickly within 1701 01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:23,249 your ninety seconds I for the United 1702 01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,380 States military to operate on United 1703 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:27,780 States soil there's a huge legality 1704 01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:31,050 problem with this and so in my personal 1705 01:18:36,020 --> 01:18:34,110 opinion those aspects of the story are 1706 01:18:37,879 --> 01:18:36,030 embellished what we do know from someone 1707 01:18:40,219 --> 01:18:37,889 like Chris marks who in my opinion has 1708 01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:40,229 more than enough evidence to show he was 1709 01:18:43,899 --> 01:18:42,360 there he worked there whether or not it 1710 01:18:46,699 --> 01:18:43,909 was offset money who knows they are 1711 01:18:49,129 --> 01:18:46,709 former military chris has a great 1712 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:49,139 investigative background highly trained 1713 01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:51,209 so it absolutely makes sense that he was 1714 01:18:57,529 --> 01:18:54,209 hired to do investigative things for 1715 01:19:00,439 --> 01:18:57,539 bass again arguably whether or not for 1716 01:19:03,250 --> 01:19:00,449 OSAP who knows but again his background 1717 01:19:06,770 --> 01:19:03,260 really shows that so former military 1718 01:19:08,739 --> 01:19:06,780 absolutely but active military the 1719 01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:08,749 military with boots on the ground 1720 01:19:15,949 --> 01:19:11,550 operating a United States intelligence 1721 01:19:18,469 --> 01:19:15,959 community operation on US soil I'm sorry 1722 01:19:21,979 --> 01:19:18,479 I don't buy it I'd like to see evidence 1723 01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:21,989 but I just don't buy it at all let's 1724 01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:23,699 take our break right here this is fade 1725 01:19:26,919 --> 01:19:25,260 to black I'm arrows to be Church John 1726 01:19:29,709 --> 01:19:26,929 Greenwald is here 1727 01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:29,719 man what a great conversation John stay 1728 01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:30,260 right there 1729 01:19:36,339 --> 01:19:33,289 we've got so much more to talk about and 1730 01:19:38,169 --> 01:19:36,349 I'm gonna get bob lazar into the show 1731 01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:38,179 tonight we'll be right back after this 1732 01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:51,350 [Music] 1733 01:19:55,770 --> 01:19:53,640 welcome back fade to black I miss to be 1734 01:19:59,010 --> 01:19:55,780 Church on the game changer network in 1735 01:20:02,280 --> 01:19:59,020 Katy are a the planets can follow me on 1736 01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:02,290 Twitter at Jay radio you can follow John 1737 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:06,400 right there at black ball Tom on Twitter 1738 01:20:11,730 --> 01:20:09,610 and John let's change gears a little bit 1739 01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:11,740 speaking about Freedom of Information 1740 01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:15,280 Act documents and I want to get to your 1741 01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:17,350 other article that was just supposed to 1742 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:21,760 - about the FAA but Bob Lazar I said 1743 01:20:29,730 --> 01:20:26,410 last week and it kills me to make this 1744 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:29,740 statement but I think I'm pulling the 1745 01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:33,850 plug on Bob Lazar and and it's taken me 1746 01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,220 many years to get to this point but I'm 1747 01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:39,280 not I'm not feeling as confident as I 1748 01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:42,460 used to in the past and that's where I'm 1749 01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:46,210 at and you're the you're the depository 1750 01:20:53,070 --> 01:20:49,800 of documents have you ever got any 1751 01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:53,080 official documents out of the government 1752 01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:56,590 with the name Bob Lazar in them uh well 1753 01:21:00,210 --> 01:20:58,630 you won't like the one I did get from 1754 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:00,220 the government that had Bob lazarre's 1755 01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:03,250 name it was from the intellipedia system 1756 01:21:08,010 --> 01:21:05,170 that's kind of the intelligence 1757 01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:08,020 community's equivalent to Wikipedia it's 1758 01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:10,390 an internal system there's actually 1759 01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:12,760 three systems that incorporate it and I 1760 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:14,680 actually found Bob Lazar referenced as 1761 01:21:20,370 --> 01:21:17,410 pretty much being a hoaxer they talked 1762 01:21:23,580 --> 01:21:20,380 about his pseudoscience and pretty much 1763 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:23,590 making up the story about element 115 so 1764 01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:25,090 although there was no meat to the 1765 01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:27,100 information they do reference him as 1766 01:21:34,050 --> 01:21:30,310 being this essentially storyteller about 1767 01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:34,060 element 115 what I have pursued when you 1768 01:21:38,370 --> 01:21:35,650 would said that before the break I kind 1769 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:38,380 of went through my database here of FOIA 1770 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:41,290 requests I do have an open request about 1771 01:21:45,570 --> 01:21:43,570 United nuclear which is Bob lazarre's 1772 01:21:48,450 --> 01:21:45,580 company now as we know it was 1773 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:48,460 quote-unquote raided during the film of 1774 01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:52,090 Jeremy Korbel however investigative 1775 01:21:57,780 --> 01:21:54,780 journalist Tim McMillan chased the 1776 01:22:00,330 --> 01:21:57,790 police records the local police records 1777 01:22:02,430 --> 01:22:00,340 where Bob lazarre's United nuclear was 1778 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:02,440 located and there was really nothing 1779 01:22:06,250 --> 01:22:03,890 about you know 1780 01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:06,260 looking for element 115 it was 1781 01:22:13,090 --> 01:22:09,110 essentially a raid that was conducted 1782 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:13,100 for being tied to a murder and that this 1783 01:22:17,290 --> 01:22:15,050 guy who not Bob Lazar but this guy who 1784 01:22:20,230 --> 01:22:17,300 had murdered his wife used something 1785 01:22:22,450 --> 01:22:20,240 called thallium and potentially had 1786 01:22:24,250 --> 01:22:22,460 ordered it from Bob lazarre's company 1787 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:24,260 that sells kind of these exotic 1788 01:22:29,470 --> 01:22:26,930 materials and so they went in looking 1789 01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:29,480 for records and receipts so nothing 1790 01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:31,760 supported the whole element 115 thing 1791 01:22:35,860 --> 01:22:34,400 but I heard that the FBI was there and 1792 01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:35,870 so even though Tim McMillan had gone 1793 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:37,910 after the local records and the state 1794 01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:40,370 records I went after the FBI records 1795 01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:43,910 that is still being processed however it 1796 01:22:47,890 --> 01:22:45,260 doesn't look like anything is in the 1797 01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:47,900 timeframe of that raid United nuclear 1798 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:50,840 has been in trouble before with the law 1799 01:22:55,540 --> 01:22:52,970 so Bob Lazar has had quite a few 1800 01:22:57,820 --> 01:22:55,550 different run-ins through United nuclear 1801 01:22:59,080 --> 01:22:57,830 so I do have that being processed one of 1802 01:23:01,600 --> 01:22:59,090 the other things that you might find 1803 01:23:05,530 --> 01:23:01,610 interesting I I have had this on my desk 1804 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:05,540 I have it in my hand here from this just 1805 01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:07,850 came to me about a week ago this was not 1806 01:23:10,180 --> 01:23:09,140 planned by the way if anybody thinks 1807 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:10,190 this was a coincidence 1808 01:23:16,810 --> 01:23:14,810 no on the edge of my seat okay yeah well 1809 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:16,820 you know as we all know Bob lazarre's 1810 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:18,610 book was just published here in the last 1811 01:23:23,530 --> 01:23:21,530 month or so and that's another 1812 01:23:27,340 --> 01:23:23,540 interesting TTS a connection it was 1813 01:23:30,190 --> 01:23:27,350 published by a company that is TTS A's 1814 01:23:33,370 --> 01:23:30,200 company or to the Stars is company so 1815 01:23:36,190 --> 01:23:33,380 Tom DeLonge and to the Stars Academy or 1816 01:23:38,140 --> 01:23:36,200 to the stars media I guess is the one 1817 01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,150 that published this book but they tried 1818 01:23:41,380 --> 01:23:39,920 to kind of hide it in my opinion they 1819 01:23:43,060 --> 01:23:41,390 did they I don't know if they're 1820 01:23:44,860 --> 01:23:43,070 embarrassed of publishing Bob lazarre's 1821 01:23:48,130 --> 01:23:44,870 book in my opinion the Lazar story 1822 01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:48,140 albeit is is interesting in my opinion 1823 01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:50,300 is fiction I don't believe that there's 1824 01:23:56,110 --> 01:23:53,690 truth to it and so I think to the stars 1825 01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:56,120 was essentially trying to shield that 1826 01:24:00,250 --> 01:23:58,310 they published his book it came out that 1827 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:00,260 they did while in the book was a 1828 01:24:05,790 --> 01:24:02,330 foreword by George Knapp and there was 1829 01:24:10,090 --> 01:24:05,800 an interesting little bit in there about 1830 01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:10,100 congressman Brian Bilbray Brian Phillip 1831 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:12,770 Bilbray I believe it is that went to the 1832 01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:14,810 FBI and I'm kind of paraphrasing what's 1833 01:24:17,649 --> 01:24:17,120 in the foreword but essentially what it 1834 01:24:20,259 --> 01:24:17,659 was saying 1835 01:24:24,069 --> 01:24:20,269 that Bilbray went to the FBI trying to 1836 01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:24,079 verify Bob lazarre's history and 1837 01:24:29,469 --> 01:24:27,110 employment and the FBI essentially said 1838 01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:29,479 after researching and looking into it 1839 01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:34,070 that Bilbray was not cleared I guess and 1840 01:24:39,909 --> 01:24:37,489 that he was denied access to the the 1841 01:24:42,399 --> 01:24:39,919 information and so he that the FBI 1842 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:42,409 pushed back and and wouldn't answer his 1843 01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:45,050 question well what should be noted is 1844 01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:47,320 that anytime a senator or congressman 1845 01:24:51,850 --> 01:24:49,489 communicates with an agency federal 1846 01:24:53,739 --> 01:24:51,860 agency there's a paper trail there's 1847 01:24:56,290 --> 01:24:53,749 actually congressional correspondence 1848 01:24:58,899 --> 01:24:56,300 logs which keeps track of everything and 1849 01:25:00,040 --> 01:24:58,909 yes I've got tons of them and it's 1850 01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:00,050 really interesting to see those 1851 01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,090 communications so I filed a FOIA with 1852 01:25:07,330 --> 01:25:04,639 the FBI looking for not anything about 1853 01:25:09,129 --> 01:25:07,340 aliens or UFOs but rather the 1854 01:25:12,489 --> 01:25:09,139 communications that Bilbray had with the 1855 01:25:14,290 --> 01:25:12,499 FBI and they came back after a wait that 1856 01:25:17,409 --> 01:25:14,300 said that they had no records there was 1857 01:25:18,580 --> 01:25:17,419 nothing there so I appealed it I said 1858 01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:18,590 look there's a book that's being 1859 01:25:23,589 --> 01:25:21,199 published now here is exactly what it 1860 01:25:26,679 --> 01:25:23,599 says and I had the the I had a verbatim 1861 01:25:29,799 --> 01:25:26,689 in the request what the book says and I 1862 01:25:32,049 --> 01:25:29,809 got the FBI to reopen the request based 1863 01:25:33,759 --> 01:25:32,059 on that information they went back into 1864 01:25:36,009 --> 01:25:33,769 their records searched all the logs 1865 01:25:38,350 --> 01:25:36,019 searched all the information and there 1866 01:25:42,339 --> 01:25:38,360 was absolutely nothing and they gave on 1867 01:25:44,339 --> 01:25:42,349 December 3rd another no records request 1868 01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:44,349 so essentially according to the FBI 1869 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:47,840 there is zero evidence that Bilbray ever 1870 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:50,570 contacted them now of course many will 1871 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:52,010 fire back and say that that's all a 1872 01:25:57,459 --> 01:25:54,530 cover-up and they're erasing the history 1873 01:25:59,319 --> 01:25:57,469 like they did Bob lazarre's identity but 1874 01:26:01,839 --> 01:25:59,329 sadly it just coincides with the story 1875 01:26:03,879 --> 01:26:01,849 as a whole in my opinion that when you 1876 01:26:05,259 --> 01:26:03,889 really pursue the facts the 1877 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:05,269 quote-unquote facts that are being 1878 01:26:10,449 --> 01:26:07,610 presented to you when it comes to Bob 1879 01:26:12,759 --> 01:26:10,459 Lazar on the surface they seem 1880 01:26:14,859 --> 01:26:12,769 intriguing but when you start actually 1881 01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,869 researching it you realize there's 1882 01:26:18,459 --> 01:26:16,880 really nothing there to back it up so 1883 01:26:19,689 --> 01:26:18,469 I've sat on this letter for a couple 1884 01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:19,699 days I don't really know what to do with 1885 01:26:23,379 --> 01:26:21,409 it I mean I'm you know it's nothing 1886 01:26:25,839 --> 01:26:23,389 earth-shattering other than it's yet 1887 01:26:26,979 --> 01:26:25,849 another piece of evidence to show that 1888 01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:26,989 the Bob Lazar story 1889 01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:30,540 is likely not true the 1890 01:26:35,900 --> 01:26:33,420 I didn't realize that tim macmillan 1891 01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:35,910 wrote that article because i read it 1892 01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:39,870 twice i I'm sorry Tim I didn't look at 1893 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:42,960 the byline but I read that article twice 1894 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:46,170 and I had to go back and make sure that 1895 01:26:54,230 --> 01:26:49,650 I was understanding exactly what was 1896 01:26:58,460 --> 01:26:54,240 presenting there because that is 180 1897 01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:58,470 degrees opposite of what was presented 1898 01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:01,920 in corbels movie and and certainly 1899 01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:04,770 conversations since then in public about 1900 01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:09,030 the raid on lazarre's home yeah it was 1901 01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:14,130 about a murder yeah and the local 1902 01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:15,780 authorities the detectives that were 1903 01:27:21,260 --> 01:27:18,360 involved and and thallium and who was 1904 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:21,270 selling thallium and there was a couple 1905 01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:24,570 of interesting things that were pointed 1906 01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:27,270 out in Tim's article which was that 1907 01:27:32,570 --> 01:27:29,850 there are collectors out there of 1908 01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:32,580 elements right they collect elements 1909 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:36,000 people collect coins people collect 1910 01:27:40,340 --> 01:27:38,010 baseball cards some people collect 1911 01:27:42,820 --> 01:27:40,350 elements and some elements are very 1912 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:42,830 difficult to get your hands on 1913 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:46,370 understandably so and one of them is 1914 01:27:52,340 --> 01:27:49,770 thallium and apparently Bob got a 1915 01:27:54,170 --> 01:27:52,350 collection somebody's collection of 1916 01:27:57,740 --> 01:27:54,180 elements and in that collection of 1917 01:27:59,450 --> 01:27:57,750 elements was some kind of protected you 1918 01:28:04,070 --> 01:27:59,460 know you know you don't want to get sick 1919 01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:04,080 from it of thallium and he advertised 1920 01:28:10,670 --> 01:28:06,960 that I could have this wrong but the 1921 01:28:12,980 --> 01:28:10,680 point is a simple one that the person 1922 01:28:16,010 --> 01:28:12,990 involved in this murder purchased that 1923 01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:16,020 collectible piece of thallium that Bob 1924 01:28:21,980 --> 01:28:20,250 had somehow acquired that's how the 1925 01:28:23,540 --> 01:28:21,990 police got involved and they wanted the 1926 01:28:25,010 --> 01:28:23,550 records they wanted to see if there was 1927 01:28:27,230 --> 01:28:25,020 communication there there's a sales 1928 01:28:29,420 --> 01:28:27,240 receipt they could tie this thallium 1929 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:29,430 back to this murder where this poisoning 1930 01:28:37,340 --> 01:28:30,690 happened with thallium 1931 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:37,350 my point is Bob knew all of that he knew 1932 01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:41,130 why the raid was there you know and you 1933 01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:42,780 know that the questions were raised 1934 01:28:46,430 --> 01:28:44,250 about thallium and 1935 01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:46,440 and the potential of a murder and 1936 01:28:50,990 --> 01:28:47,940 they're not there and investigate him 1937 01:28:52,370 --> 01:28:51,000 for murder they just want to know if he 1938 01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:52,380 can provide them with this information 1939 01:28:56,090 --> 01:28:54,210 and help with their investigation that's 1940 01:28:59,810 --> 01:28:56,100 going on with his murder that had had 1941 01:29:02,690 --> 01:28:59,820 nothing to do with 1:15 yeah and that 1942 01:29:04,970 --> 01:29:02,700 that just caused me to back up and go 1943 01:29:05,660 --> 01:29:04,980 there's something just not quite right 1944 01:29:07,730 --> 01:29:05,670 about this 1945 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:07,740 I don't mind somebody marketing a movie 1946 01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:11,610 you know but to imply all of this where 1947 01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:13,290 you got a raid that's going out at the 1948 01:29:18,650 --> 01:29:15,300 house oh great so let's tie this into 1949 01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:18,660 element 115 and area 51 and your story 1950 01:29:25,190 --> 01:29:21,510 it'll be great nobody he'll find out 1951 01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:25,200 well people do find things out like Tim 1952 01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:27,510 McMillan and when that article was 1953 01:29:31,130 --> 01:29:30,060 published it was part of like you just 1954 01:29:34,180 --> 01:29:31,140 said it was another piece of the puzzle 1955 01:29:37,610 --> 01:29:34,190 or it forced me to just kind of back up 1956 01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:37,620 and analyze this entire situation of 1957 01:29:43,730 --> 01:29:40,110 what's going on here I think that letter 1958 01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:43,740 that you got about no materials found 1959 01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:46,440 from the FBI it's just another piece of 1960 01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,380 the puzzle yeah yeah and I think again 1961 01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:51,120 not to repeat myself but that's what we 1962 01:29:56,090 --> 01:29:53,310 need to do is we need to not be afraid 1963 01:29:58,850 --> 01:29:56,100 of questioning what we are being told 1964 01:30:00,440 --> 01:29:58,860 and that goes into something we haven't 1965 01:30:03,140 --> 01:30:00,450 talked about yet but very quickly the 1966 01:30:07,130 --> 01:30:03,150 hypocrisy that's that's really out there 1967 01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:07,140 that people want to believe and if you 1968 01:30:12,140 --> 01:30:09,540 go against that they will start changing 1969 01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:12,150 their viewpoints in order to believe 1970 01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:15,090 what they want to believe and going back 1971 01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,710 to that pentagon thing it's like when 1972 01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:18,840 the Pentagon says something that people 1973 01:30:24,770 --> 01:30:22,380 like they eat it all up and they go see 1974 01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:24,780 the Pentagon said it so it has to be 1975 01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:27,930 true those Navy videos they are you a PS 1976 01:30:33,980 --> 01:30:31,440 I told you Tom DeLonge rocks Lewis 1977 01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:33,990 Elizondo is who he says he is and that's 1978 01:30:38,900 --> 01:30:35,910 it case closed 1979 01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:38,910 because the Pentagon said it t TSA even 1980 01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:41,760 made this big graphic about how the US 1981 01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:45,210 Navy said it so they to find value when 1982 01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:46,530 the military and the government puts 1983 01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:48,330 their name behind a statement and yet 1984 01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:50,610 when they say something they don't like 1985 01:30:55,310 --> 01:30:53,010 all of a sudden it's this massive 1986 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:55,320 conspiracy it's a cover-up 1987 01:30:58,840 --> 01:30:56,810 it's a schmear can 1988 01:31:01,120 --> 01:30:58,850 Payne they're trying to assassinate a 1989 01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:01,130 character it's that hypocrisy that 1990 01:31:06,430 --> 01:31:03,890 shines and I just don't get it because 1991 01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:06,440 we have to not be afraid of just pushing 1992 01:31:12,190 --> 01:31:10,370 forward for answers and challenging what 1993 01:31:15,250 --> 01:31:12,200 we are being told and if we confirm it 1994 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:15,260 all the more power to us as a field as a 1995 01:31:19,090 --> 01:31:16,970 community whatever you want to say it if 1996 01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,100 it doesn't confirm it we need to 1997 01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:21,520 question it and address it so bob lazar 1998 01:31:26,350 --> 01:31:24,560 jeremy Korbel whomever should really 1999 01:31:29,380 --> 01:31:26,360 kind of approach this and go okay well 2000 01:31:31,420 --> 01:31:29,390 maybe it wasn't about 115 or if they 2001 01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:31,430 think it's a massive cover-up then say 2002 01:31:34,030 --> 01:31:31,760 it 2003 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:34,040 TTS a has to address the Pentagon thing 2004 01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:36,530 if they think that that the the what is 2005 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:39,280 potentially human error and that they 2006 01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:41,690 accidentally said that a tip was UAP 2007 01:31:46,420 --> 01:31:44,510 related when it wasn't well let's let's 2008 01:31:49,690 --> 01:31:46,430 put that on the record let's see TSA say 2009 01:31:51,820 --> 01:31:49,700 the Pentagon is lying or let's say that 2010 01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:51,830 there is a cover-up job or whatever they 2011 01:31:57,070 --> 01:31:54,650 want to say that discussion needs to 2012 01:32:00,400 --> 01:31:57,080 take place between all of these big 2013 01:32:02,170 --> 01:32:00,410 players in these stories and for me as a 2014 01:32:05,050 --> 01:32:02,180 researcher investigator when you look 2015 01:32:07,930 --> 01:32:05,060 into them we have to push back even if 2016 01:32:10,330 --> 01:32:07,940 we believe it push back and say I'm 2017 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:10,340 gonna challenge this I'm gonna go for 2018 01:32:14,350 --> 01:32:11,810 the documents I'm gonna go for the 2019 01:32:16,510 --> 01:32:14,360 records I'm gonna go for proof and if 2020 01:32:18,490 --> 01:32:16,520 you don't find it then maybe we have 2021 01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:18,500 that conversation but when one side just 2022 01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:21,110 remains silent you need to question that 2023 01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:23,120 too because that silence is a piece of 2024 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:25,730 the evidence and here's the problem this 2025 01:32:33,070 --> 01:32:29,650 is the real problem people out there 2026 01:32:35,650 --> 01:32:33,080 wonderful people have had encounters 2027 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:35,660 have seen something strange in the sky 2028 01:32:42,850 --> 01:32:40,250 something crazy a black triangle you 2029 01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:42,860 know some things just something and say 2030 01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:46,400 I have seen the same things I know that 2031 01:32:53,650 --> 01:32:49,760 clearly there is a phenomenon in our 2032 01:32:58,180 --> 01:32:53,660 skies that that isn't from this earth it 2033 01:33:01,090 --> 01:32:58,190 clearly defined as that okay not mincing 2034 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:01,100 and those people out there like myself 2035 01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:04,850 that have seen what we have seen and are 2036 01:33:09,580 --> 01:33:07,220 questioning things we also need the 2037 01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:09,590 support and the honest 2038 01:33:18,939 --> 01:33:12,560 efforts from others out there we don't 2039 01:33:23,649 --> 01:33:18,949 need to be let down by something that is 2040 01:33:26,350 --> 01:33:23,659 out there for money chasing Fame you 2041 01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:26,360 know making things up not being because 2042 01:33:31,959 --> 01:33:29,900 it's it's disappointing and we've got 2043 01:33:33,939 --> 01:33:31,969 too much emotionally invested in all of 2044 01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:33,949 this you know it doesn't change my 2045 01:33:38,589 --> 01:33:36,050 narrative you know it doesn't change 2046 01:33:40,810 --> 01:33:38,599 what I've seen in the skies or any other 2047 01:33:42,910 --> 01:33:40,820 witnesses out there you know that I've 2048 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:42,920 had real encounters and they've seen 2049 01:33:47,740 --> 01:33:46,010 things and that's the problem you know 2050 01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:47,750 when I say that I'm pulling the plug on 2051 01:33:51,790 --> 01:33:50,210 Lazar that doesn't mean that I don't you 2052 01:33:54,370 --> 01:33:51,800 know that I haven't seen what I have 2053 01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:54,380 seen yeah right it doesn't that doesn't 2054 01:33:59,320 --> 01:33:56,090 change and it doesn't change for 2055 01:34:02,770 --> 01:33:59,330 everybody else but everybody needs that 2056 01:34:04,839 --> 01:34:02,780 support and when we're so close right we 2057 01:34:06,879 --> 01:34:04,849 have to Pentagon we got the DIA wait 2058 01:34:08,770 --> 01:34:06,889 they're behind us now we're getting 2059 01:34:12,580 --> 01:34:08,780 close to this finally we can move 2060 01:34:15,370 --> 01:34:12,590 forward I'm not crazy and then boom all 2061 01:34:17,589 --> 01:34:15,380 of this stuff happens you know it's it's 2062 01:34:20,169 --> 01:34:17,599 very disappointing and I feel for this 2063 01:34:23,169 --> 01:34:20,179 community and I will always say this 2064 01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:23,179 John it's community first and it has to 2065 01:34:27,700 --> 01:34:24,080 stay that way 2066 01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:27,710 it's the community first well it should 2067 01:34:35,020 --> 01:34:31,520 be but sadly in 21st century 20 19 2068 01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,030 ufology I feel it's not and you had 2069 01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:37,520 mentioned Twitter earlier I mean you you 2070 01:34:42,609 --> 01:34:40,400 if you wanna a dose of what this has 2071 01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:42,619 become check out some of the stuff that 2072 01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:44,840 goes in on Twitter and we should be able 2073 01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:47,210 to have a conversation like you and I 2074 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:50,210 are now and and even off the air we're 2075 01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:53,570 you know sometimes we don't agree but at 2076 01:34:57,220 --> 01:34:55,070 the end of the day I would sling a 2077 01:34:59,290 --> 01:34:57,230 burger with you on a barbeque and we can 2078 01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:59,300 cheers a beer together and we're friends 2079 01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:01,520 right that's the way a community should 2080 01:35:09,939 --> 01:35:04,489 operate but there has been in the last 2081 01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:09,949 two years this vicious pushback by some 2082 01:35:15,250 --> 01:35:13,040 not all but some of the supporters of 2083 01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:15,260 this t TSA effort I call them the 2084 01:35:18,609 --> 01:35:16,130 superfans 2085 01:35:21,609 --> 01:35:18,619 that if you go against that and if you 2086 01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:21,619 do challenge what mr. Elizondo is saying 2087 01:35:26,860 --> 01:35:23,330 or what Tom DeLonge is claim 2088 01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:26,870 or or whatever when you do challenge it 2089 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:30,410 you are destroyed 2090 01:35:35,830 --> 01:35:33,050 well they attempt to destroy you you 2091 01:35:37,930 --> 01:35:35,840 know they come after you with with 2092 01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:37,940 everything that they got and it gets a 2093 01:35:42,700 --> 01:35:40,250 vicious not facts they stay away from 2094 01:35:43,810 --> 01:35:42,710 those those are apparently poisonous but 2095 01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:43,820 they come after you on a personal level 2096 01:35:49,950 --> 01:35:47,210 and I mean I've had people fabricate 2097 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:49,960 about me lie about me even threaten 2098 01:35:57,010 --> 01:35:53,930 about me or to me I should say about 2099 01:36:01,360 --> 01:35:57,020 this this topic why like why is there 2100 01:36:03,580 --> 01:36:01,370 this cultist mentality by some that you 2101 01:36:05,530 --> 01:36:03,590 are with us or against us there is no 2102 01:36:08,650 --> 01:36:05,540 middle ground you cannot ask questions 2103 01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:08,660 and when TTS a speaks it is the Gospel 2104 01:36:13,450 --> 01:36:11,690 according to TTS a and that that that is 2105 01:36:16,060 --> 01:36:13,460 something that we have to get out of and 2106 01:36:18,850 --> 01:36:16,070 it doesn't have to be kumbaya community 2107 01:36:21,250 --> 01:36:18,860 all around singing songs but good God 2108 01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:21,260 let it go already with these attacks and 2109 01:36:25,930 --> 01:36:24,170 and so on and so forth and what what may 2110 01:36:27,940 --> 01:36:25,940 come as a shock to some of those 2111 01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:27,950 superfans that I reference is that 2112 01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:32,320 ufology stretches far back well before 2113 01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,800 2017 and well before 2004 when the 2114 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:39,440 nimitz encounter happened ufology has an 2115 01:36:46,900 --> 01:36:43,370 enormous ly interesting history that is 2116 01:36:50,260 --> 01:36:46,910 now being ignored and it's like ufology 2117 01:36:53,950 --> 01:36:50,270 started in 2004 and then it hopped to 2118 01:36:57,490 --> 01:36:53,960 October 2017 and that's it and that's 2119 01:37:01,330 --> 01:36:57,500 what what these again superfans are all 2120 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:01,340 about and I just that I worry about if 2121 01:37:07,390 --> 01:37:02,810 you want to call it a community still I 2122 01:37:09,460 --> 01:37:07,400 I hope that that's the truth but I worry 2123 01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:09,470 about the community of that is what this 2124 01:37:15,790 --> 01:37:13,010 has become and and I worry about the 2125 01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:15,800 future of UFO research simply on the 2126 01:37:21,190 --> 01:37:18,650 fact that the discussion the 2127 01:37:23,860 --> 01:37:21,200 conversation the debate that we should 2128 01:37:26,500 --> 01:37:23,870 be having within ourselves conversations 2129 01:37:29,470 --> 01:37:26,510 like this are not taking place anymore 2130 01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:29,480 and there's tweets and name-calling and 2131 01:37:34,180 --> 01:37:31,730 threatening and this that and the other 2132 01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:34,190 thing I won't name the name but somebody 2133 01:37:39,129 --> 01:37:37,130 told me that someone 2134 01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:39,139 connected to TTS a you'd recognize his 2135 01:37:46,090 --> 01:37:43,820 name referenced me and that I was that 2136 01:37:49,209 --> 01:37:46,100 that anybody who was speaking out 2137 01:37:50,830 --> 01:37:49,219 against TTS a should essentially die now 2138 01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:50,840 really think about that for a second 2139 01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:53,600 that they should die well I like how 2140 01:38:02,350 --> 01:37:57,679 ludicrous is that to say and yet that is 2141 01:38:05,050 --> 01:38:02,360 the level that this is sinking to and I 2142 01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:05,060 worry I really do because we should not 2143 01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:07,310 get to that level we should have a 2144 01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:09,850 conversation oh we should question 2145 01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:11,810 because that doesn't mean that you're 2146 01:38:17,020 --> 01:38:14,690 fighting or making a denial that means 2147 01:38:19,959 --> 01:38:17,030 we're questioning and sadly some people 2148 01:38:25,390 --> 01:38:19,969 are losing that yeah if you go into that 2149 01:38:27,939 --> 01:38:25,400 zone is staying outside of a real 2150 01:38:32,770 --> 01:38:27,949 research and you go into that kind of 2151 01:38:35,110 --> 01:38:32,780 zone I disconnected just done there's 2152 01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:35,120 nothing important that that individual 2153 01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:38,530 could ever say ever again that I would 2154 01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,320 deem credible or important I just 2155 01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:44,480 wouldn't care anymore and the community 2156 01:38:49,930 --> 01:38:47,330 sees that too as well because you have 2157 01:38:51,370 --> 01:38:49,940 to have decorum if you're going to be a 2158 01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:51,380 researcher you're going to be a part of 2159 01:38:55,780 --> 01:38:52,880 this community if you're going to be a 2160 01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,790 commenter then you need to be 2161 01:39:00,640 --> 01:38:58,159 professional and show respect and once 2162 01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:00,650 you get outside of that zone your colors 2163 01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:03,170 are shown you know that's and that's 2164 01:39:11,790 --> 01:39:05,090 that's really the bottom line there I 2165 01:39:12,939 --> 01:39:11,800 don't know John Mike I made a comment I 2166 01:39:16,270 --> 01:39:12,949 can't 2167 01:39:18,490 --> 01:39:16,280 I don't comment often but I did I think 2168 01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:18,500 it was a grant Cameron the red couple of 2169 01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:23,690 weeks ago and it was about TTS a and my 2170 01:39:33,490 --> 01:39:30,230 comment was this look we need to really 2171 01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:33,500 think about how we are going to address 2172 01:39:40,810 --> 01:39:38,630 TTS a five years from now that's you 2173 01:39:44,140 --> 01:39:40,820 need to stop and think about how we are 2174 01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:44,150 going to look back and think about this 2175 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:47,090 whole situation because today right now 2176 01:39:50,860 --> 01:39:49,850 we don't know much we don't know much we 2177 01:39:52,690 --> 01:39:50,870 don't know what the object 2178 01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:52,700 sar we don't know what the attitude is 2179 01:39:57,490 --> 01:39:55,010 we don't know what the reasons are we 2180 01:40:00,520 --> 01:39:57,500 though the whys there's so many wise 2181 01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:00,530 questions why why why we don't have the 2182 01:40:05,770 --> 01:40:03,530 answers to any of that we don't we don't 2183 01:40:08,590 --> 01:40:05,780 are the immediate company are they 2184 01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:08,600 researching UFOs are the CIA front 2185 01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:11,600 company is or are they none of that is 2186 01:40:17,530 --> 01:40:15,890 it something very serious it's if five 2187 01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,540 years from now we're gonna look back and 2188 01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:19,760 be thankful oh five years from now are 2189 01:40:24,490 --> 01:40:21,170 we gonna look back and go do you 2190 01:40:26,740 --> 01:40:24,500 remember that company TTS a right but 2191 01:40:28,930 --> 01:40:26,750 that's all in the future today we don't 2192 01:40:32,050 --> 01:40:28,940 know and that's where we're at 2193 01:40:33,970 --> 01:40:32,060 there's no reason to fight there is if 2194 01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:33,980 we don't have anything there isn't 2195 01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:36,080 anything out of the table really some of 2196 01:40:42,130 --> 01:40:39,290 substance to fight about yeah well I 2197 01:40:44,110 --> 01:40:42,140 think that going to your point about we 2198 01:40:45,730 --> 01:40:44,120 don't know what they're gonna be I to be 2199 01:40:47,380 --> 01:40:45,740 honest with you don't think they know 2200 01:40:51,580 --> 01:40:47,390 what they're going to be two years ago 2201 01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:51,590 they I know mean it negatively but we're 2202 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:53,690 soliciting for investors based on the 2203 01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:55,730 fact that they were seeking what they 2204 01:41:00,250 --> 01:40:57,530 were seeking without essentially 2205 01:41:02,530 --> 01:41:00,260 government oversight without the the 2206 01:41:04,150 --> 01:41:02,540 worrying about the priorities of the US 2207 01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:04,160 government and again I'm slightly 2208 01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:06,530 paraphrasing there but you can go back 2209 01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:08,330 to their Wayback Machine and and on 2210 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:10,130 their website and see exactly what they 2211 01:41:13,690 --> 01:41:11,810 said I had tweeted out the the 2212 01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:13,700 screenshot the other day but regardless 2213 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:15,110 they were saying that they weren't 2214 01:41:20,710 --> 01:41:17,050 connected to the government fast forward 2215 01:41:22,540 --> 01:41:20,720 about two years later and they publish a 2216 01:41:25,570 --> 01:41:22,550 press release that they are partnering 2217 01:41:28,350 --> 01:41:25,580 with the US government they create an 2218 01:41:31,180 --> 01:41:28,360 agreement with the US Army to 2219 01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:31,190 essentially research their metamaterials 2220 01:41:35,890 --> 01:41:33,920 that let's just say are connected to 2221 01:41:38,380 --> 01:41:35,900 extraterrestrial pieces of technology 2222 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:38,390 that they have created this agreement to 2223 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:41,690 share the results first with the United 2224 01:41:47,410 --> 01:41:45,290 States military and when you do that all 2225 01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:47,420 of us and by the way that line about no 2226 01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:49,610 government oversight or however it was 2227 01:41:54,190 --> 01:41:51,710 worried worded is gone from their 2228 01:41:58,750 --> 01:41:54,200 website and so now they've created this 2229 01:42:01,090 --> 01:41:58,760 agreement and now they are giving that 2230 01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:01,100 material which again could potentially 2231 01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:04,400 be UAP extraterrestrial 2232 01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:07,130 nology for all I know they are handing 2233 01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:08,330 it back to the military 2234 01:42:15,580 --> 01:42:13,130 what arguably is the capstone of this 2235 01:42:17,229 --> 01:42:15,590 cover-up the orchestrators the puppet 2236 01:42:19,149 --> 01:42:17,239 masters whatever you want to call them 2237 01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:19,159 they are potentially the ones calling 2238 01:42:23,370 --> 01:42:21,679 the shots on what we the public either 2239 01:42:26,590 --> 01:42:23,380 knows or doesn't know 2240 01:42:28,590 --> 01:42:26,600 TTS a banks themselves on being the ones 2241 01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:28,600 that are getting away from all that 2242 01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,040 reducing the stigma and breaking that 2243 01:42:35,530 --> 01:42:33,199 that reliance on the government to come 2244 01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:35,540 forward and fast forward two years later 2245 01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:37,250 they've created this agreement to give 2246 01:42:42,430 --> 01:42:39,890 the meta materials over to the army and 2247 01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:42,440 or the results or whatever will take 2248 01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,409 place but at the bottom line is the 2249 01:42:50,649 --> 01:42:47,840 military is going to find out if there 2250 01:42:53,110 --> 01:42:50,659 is a extraterrestrial connection first 2251 01:42:55,570 --> 01:42:53,120 and what I will very quickly say is 2252 01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:55,580 let's say that is all true and the 2253 01:42:59,800 --> 01:42:57,679 metamaterial analysis comes back are the 2254 01:43:02,590 --> 01:42:59,810 analyses come back that there is a 2255 01:43:06,580 --> 01:43:02,600 extra-terrestrial element to whatever 2256 01:43:09,310 --> 01:43:06,590 these pieces are one or all of them the 2257 01:43:10,750 --> 01:43:09,320 military is going to know first and if 2258 01:43:12,459 --> 01:43:10,760 you know anything about national 2259 01:43:15,250 --> 01:43:12,469 security and if you know anything about 2260 01:43:18,820 --> 01:43:15,260 the history of the cover-up behind this 2261 01:43:22,410 --> 01:43:18,830 topic the military has 100% full power 2262 01:43:25,570 --> 01:43:22,420 in the interest of national security to 2263 01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:25,580 confiscate that material and classify it 2264 01:43:30,459 --> 01:43:27,890 and I believe that they are putting 2265 01:43:32,860 --> 01:43:30,469 themselves in a really bad spot if they 2266 01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:32,870 do have something and so going back to 2267 01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:35,210 what you say I don't think TTS a he 2268 01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,210 knows what they are because who they 2269 01:43:44,050 --> 01:43:41,199 wanted to be nearly two years ago is 2270 01:43:47,919 --> 01:43:44,060 completely contradictory to what they 2271 01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,929 are doing now man we didn't get to thank 2272 01:43:53,530 --> 01:43:50,000 you for that we didn't get a chance to 2273 01:43:55,330 --> 01:43:53,540 talk about the FAA article I need to 2274 01:43:59,080 --> 01:43:55,340 take a break here you want to hang on 2275 01:44:01,479 --> 01:43:59,090 and and and come back to this sure for a 2276 01:44:04,209 --> 01:44:01,489 few let's do it this is fade to black 2277 01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:04,219 come yours Jimmy Church it's over time 2278 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:07,370 with John Greenwald of the black vault 2279 01:44:09,370 --> 01:44:09,050 will be bright back after this short 2280 01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:09,380 break 2281 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:12,170 on the GameChanger network and kgr a the 2282 01:44:18,279 --> 01:44:15,530 planet you can follow John on Twitter at 2283 01:44:21,279 --> 01:44:18,289 black vault comm the links are right 2284 01:44:22,660 --> 01:44:21,289 there up in Twitter in the sandbox are 2285 01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:22,670 those to be Church follow me on twitter 2286 01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:25,010 IG a church radio stay with us we'll be 2287 01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:25,890 right back 2288 01:44:43,650 --> 01:44:40,980 all right welcome back heading in 2289 01:44:45,630 --> 01:44:43,660 overtime John Greenwald he saw this 2290 01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:45,640 coming everybody come on this isn't some 2291 01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:48,960 big surprise so - John - he gave in 2292 01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:51,760 Johnny just rolled over man he just 2293 01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:54,130 tapped out yeah you know what's funny I 2294 01:44:58,050 --> 01:44:55,930 told my wife I said yeah I'm on till 2295 01:44:59,670 --> 01:44:58,060 9:30 I said but you know what it's Jimmy 2296 01:45:01,890 --> 01:44:59,680 Church he does this thing called fade to 2297 01:45:05,700 --> 01:45:01,900 black over time so it's probably about 2298 01:45:09,330 --> 01:45:05,710 to end I owe you guys dinner especially 2299 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:09,340 her and and thank you so much and I do 2300 01:45:15,690 --> 01:45:12,970 want everybody to go to the black vault 2301 01:45:18,030 --> 01:45:15,700 and if you haven't if you're one of the 2302 01:45:20,820 --> 01:45:18,040 few that happened I'd get over there it 2303 01:45:23,580 --> 01:45:20,830 is a resource that I have spent the 2304 01:45:29,070 --> 01:45:23,590 better part of the last 20 years going 2305 01:45:32,700 --> 01:45:29,080 to I remember my early comments to you 2306 01:45:38,670 --> 01:45:32,710 as many years ago what I literally said 2307 01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:38,680 to myself sitting in my condo and I 2308 01:45:42,510 --> 01:45:40,210 stumble on the black vault 2309 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:42,520 I swear John I thought I thought I was 2310 01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:44,890 gonna get a knock at the door it was 2311 01:45:52,230 --> 01:45:48,730 like this this can't be real and it's 2312 01:45:54,750 --> 01:45:52,240 called the black vault for a reason this 2313 01:45:57,660 --> 01:45:54,760 has got the secret stuff I found my 2314 01:46:00,570 --> 01:45:57,670 place and everybody needs to go the 2315 01:46:03,870 --> 01:46:00,580 articles are great and and your new 2316 01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:03,880 radio show is great too as well but it 2317 01:46:10,740 --> 01:46:08,050 is an endless amount of research you 2318 01:46:12,930 --> 01:46:10,750 just get going and and you don't stop 2319 01:46:15,540 --> 01:46:12,940 it's so much fun it's so much fun so 2320 01:46:17,790 --> 01:46:15,550 everybody go visit the black vault which 2321 01:46:21,300 --> 01:46:17,800 takes me to this article that you just 2322 01:46:24,660 --> 01:46:21,310 posted you posted this today today yes 2323 01:46:28,380 --> 01:46:24,670 today and this is the headline FAA 2324 01:46:32,370 --> 01:46:28,390 denies tracking UFOs publishes database 2325 01:46:35,550 --> 01:46:32,380 containing UFO sightings and the the 2326 01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:35,560 quote here and and I want you to respond 2327 01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:38,050 to this the quote here's the FAA does 2328 01:46:45,630 --> 01:46:43,210 not track UFOs it's right okay please 2329 01:46:48,729 --> 01:46:45,640 contact the national UFO Reporting 2330 01:46:53,740 --> 01:46:48,739 Center right 2331 01:46:55,060 --> 01:46:53,750 that's kind of strange too to say it 2332 01:46:58,530 --> 01:46:55,070 like that I didn't know that 2333 01:47:02,050 --> 01:46:58,540 the FA had that kind of relationship 2334 01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:02,060 with the national UFO Reporting Center 2335 01:47:07,060 --> 01:47:05,450 but that was the reply that you got yeah 2336 01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:07,070 that was the first one and not to jump 2337 01:47:12,190 --> 01:47:09,370 in but very quickly that came about I 2338 01:47:14,650 --> 01:47:12,200 would say two months ago when I was 2339 01:47:16,209 --> 01:47:14,660 pushing the FAA for hey the Navy is 2340 01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:16,219 saying this what about commercial pilots 2341 01:47:21,729 --> 01:47:18,890 and so that was it that was the entire 2342 01:47:24,370 --> 01:47:21,739 statement that that there's two lines 2343 01:47:26,650 --> 01:47:24,380 there but very very short the FAA does 2344 01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:26,660 not track UFOs please contact the 2345 01:47:31,959 --> 01:47:28,489 national UFO Reporting Center period 2346 01:47:34,660 --> 01:47:31,969 that was it and when I got the Pentagon 2347 01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:34,670 statements last week which is the 2348 01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:36,800 article the other article that dropped 2349 01:47:40,090 --> 01:47:38,210 here in the last week that we've already 2350 01:47:41,770 --> 01:47:40,100 talked about and they kind of 2351 01:47:46,030 --> 01:47:41,780 backtracked their previous you were one 2352 01:47:49,090 --> 01:47:46,040 of their UFO comments it was at that 2353 01:47:52,750 --> 01:47:49,100 time when I started researching okay 2354 01:47:54,340 --> 01:47:52,760 there's got to be a US Air Force manual 2355 01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:54,350 that talks about again that drone 2356 01:47:58,270 --> 01:47:56,690 incursion and so even though I'm waiting 2357 01:47:59,170 --> 01:47:58,280 for statements I thought I would just go 2358 01:48:02,110 --> 01:47:59,180 on my own 2359 01:48:03,790 --> 01:48:02,120 to research what that was you know in 2360 01:48:07,090 --> 01:48:03,800 order to kind of fast-track the process 2361 01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:07,100 and figure it out on my own and in that 2362 01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:09,170 process stumbled across this FAA 2363 01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:11,930 database doing research on various 2364 01:48:18,490 --> 01:48:15,170 government systems and it was about 2365 01:48:20,740 --> 01:48:18,500 drones UAS and very quickly the 2366 01:48:24,100 --> 01:48:20,750 difference between a UAV or a drone and 2367 01:48:26,020 --> 01:48:24,110 a UAS is that a UAV or a drone is often 2368 01:48:29,050 --> 01:48:26,030 referred to just the craft or the drone 2369 01:48:32,620 --> 01:48:29,060 itself when a UAS is referring to the 2370 01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:32,630 drone and the human operator and so the 2371 01:48:37,810 --> 01:48:35,570 FAA creates this database of UAS 2372 01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:37,820 sightings again that Jimmy church that 2373 01:48:43,090 --> 01:48:40,010 runs out to Nellis to flies you know new 2374 01:48:46,630 --> 01:48:43,100 drone that that that would end up in 2375 01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:46,640 this database essentially if it hit the 2376 01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:49,280 the commercial side or showed up on you 2377 01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:51,530 know a tower radar or something like 2378 01:48:55,630 --> 01:48:53,750 that and so as I'm going through this I 2379 01:48:58,570 --> 01:48:55,640 realized wait a minute there's not only 2380 01:49:01,150 --> 01:48:58,580 UAS sightings in here but UFOs as well 2381 01:49:02,590 --> 01:49:01,160 and it was completely contradictory to 2382 01:49:05,610 --> 01:49:02,600 that very short statement that I 2383 01:49:10,540 --> 01:49:05,620 had received so when I found that 2384 01:49:12,970 --> 01:49:10,550 published it I created a huge PDF export 2385 01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:12,980 of all of the Excel files so people 2386 01:49:17,290 --> 01:49:14,330 could read it a little bit more easily 2387 01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:17,300 and so I created that database but then 2388 01:49:20,410 --> 01:49:19,130 turn around and contacted the FAA and I 2389 01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:20,420 said okay you guys are saying you don't 2390 01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:23,600 track UFOs and yet here is a database of 2391 01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:29,090 of sightings of essentially UAS s but 2392 01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:32,090 within that are UFO sightings that are 2393 01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:35,890 referred to as UFOs there are more than 2394 01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:40,390 260 references to unidentified objects 2395 01:49:46,690 --> 01:49:43,970 helicopters or aircraft which are often 2396 01:49:49,330 --> 01:49:46,700 referred to in UFO documents by the US 2397 01:49:51,460 --> 01:49:49,340 military as unidentified objects or 2398 01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:51,470 unidentified aircraft or through the 2399 01:49:57,310 --> 01:49:55,280 1970s unidentified helicopters was a big 2400 01:50:00,430 --> 01:49:57,320 one for the DoD and so there were these 2401 01:50:02,860 --> 01:50:00,440 weird ties tie-ins to the history of 2402 01:50:04,030 --> 01:50:02,870 UFOs but what was really interesting 2403 01:50:05,890 --> 01:50:04,040 where the sightings were just from the 2404 01:50:08,020 --> 01:50:05,900 last couple of years you know these 2405 01:50:13,180 --> 01:50:08,030 aren't going back to the 70s or the 60s 2406 01:50:16,540 --> 01:50:13,190 these are going to 2019 2018 and then I 2407 01:50:19,330 --> 01:50:16,550 believe the oldest one was about 2015 so 2408 01:50:21,460 --> 01:50:19,340 very very recent and so yeah I wrote 2409 01:50:23,410 --> 01:50:21,470 this article outlining some of the UFO 2410 01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:23,420 cases that were within it and then 2411 01:50:28,890 --> 01:50:26,450 reached out to the FAA again saying hey 2412 01:50:31,690 --> 01:50:28,900 this is fairly contradictory because 2413 01:50:34,990 --> 01:50:31,700 you're saying you do not track them and 2414 01:50:36,970 --> 01:50:35,000 yet here are cases of you tracking them 2415 01:50:40,030 --> 01:50:36,980 so what's the deal 2416 01:50:44,340 --> 01:50:40,040 and so they got back to me and and and 2417 01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:44,350 gave me the explanation they released 2418 01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:48,770 the cockpit recordings from Oregon off 2419 01:50:55,810 --> 01:50:53,570 the coast and also Arizona and New 2420 01:50:59,380 --> 01:50:55,820 Mexico that flight pattern there I think 2421 01:51:03,580 --> 01:50:59,390 was from Phoenix going to Santa Fe or 2422 01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:03,590 Albuquerque that those were about a 2423 01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:05,090 month or two apart 2424 01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:09,920 and for the FAA to release those into 2425 01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:11,840 the public domain which were very 2426 01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:14,570 exciting UFO sightings I think the ones 2427 01:51:18,810 --> 01:51:15,489 up in Oregon 2428 01:51:23,340 --> 01:51:18,820 involved f-18 pilots back to the FAA 2429 01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:23,350 towers and I thought to myself then how 2430 01:51:30,150 --> 01:51:27,810 cool is this that the FAA is releasing 2431 01:51:34,260 --> 01:51:30,160 current that I mean this is real-time 2432 01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:34,270 the events happened during that time 2433 01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:38,080 period UFO sightings and and and 2434 01:51:42,810 --> 01:51:40,290 military and commercial pilots 2435 01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:42,820 discussing this but yet they want to 2436 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:45,010 turn around and say that they are not 2437 01:51:49,709 --> 01:51:47,290 tracking UFOs but yet they're releasing 2438 01:51:50,670 --> 01:51:49,719 cockpit recordings it doesn't make any 2439 01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:50,680 sense does it 2440 01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:53,410 no not at all and credit to the drive 2441 01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:55,360 and and Tyler rogue away for breaking 2442 01:51:58,530 --> 01:51:56,650 that Oregon story because that was 2443 01:52:01,890 --> 01:51:58,540 fascinating a couple years ago when he 2444 01:52:05,490 --> 01:52:01,900 got that just because of the information 2445 01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:05,500 that that he that he received showing 2446 01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,570 this contradiction that UFOs were 2447 01:52:12,450 --> 01:52:09,520 obviously a real phenomena pilots are 2448 01:52:14,670 --> 01:52:12,460 seeing them it's on the radio and so 2449 01:52:16,110 --> 01:52:14,680 fast forward to now the last couple of 2450 01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:16,120 months when I've kind of been pushing 2451 01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:18,610 the FAA saying what do you guys do when 2452 01:52:23,220 --> 01:52:20,290 that happens because Oregon wasn't a 2453 01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:23,230 lone incident this is obviously 2454 01:52:27,540 --> 01:52:26,080 happening in the article I outlined I 2455 01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:27,550 didn't know this 2456 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:32,050 there's 16.1 on average million flights 2457 01:52:38,910 --> 01:52:34,690 every year handled by the FAA 2458 01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:38,920 that's 44,000 flights every day in the 2459 01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:41,650 United States that's a lot of eyeballs 2460 01:52:48,570 --> 01:52:45,040 in the sky and so it's only natural that 2461 01:52:51,660 --> 01:52:48,580 UFOs would obviously be seen and so 2462 01:52:55,260 --> 01:52:51,670 that's what kind of boggled my mind that 2463 01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:55,270 they're not interested in it why why 2464 01:53:01,110 --> 01:52:57,730 would they forward it to a privately run 2465 01:53:03,090 --> 01:53:01,120 civilian agency called the national UFO 2466 01:53:05,220 --> 01:53:03,100 Reporting Center now I have a lot of 2467 01:53:07,590 --> 01:53:05,230 respect for Peter Davenport he works 2468 01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:07,600 very very hard up in Washington state 2469 01:53:12,570 --> 01:53:10,330 doing that but why would the FAA just 2470 01:53:15,690 --> 01:53:12,580 kind of dismiss everything and none of 2471 01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:15,700 that made sense to me which is why I was 2472 01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:17,920 kind of intrigued and surprised to find 2473 01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:20,940 the database that that's where these UFO 2474 01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:23,530 cases are potentially where the UFO 2475 01:53:29,220 --> 01:53:26,410 cases are ending up within this drone 2476 01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:29,230 database and they publish it 2477 01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:31,030 publicly I mean this was not something I 2478 01:53:36,810 --> 01:53:34,570 had to to fight under the FOIA for this 2479 01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:36,820 was just by kind of a little bit of luck 2480 01:53:41,190 --> 01:53:39,489 I won't lie trying to research a United 2481 01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:41,200 States Air Force manual but then 2482 01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:44,130 stumbled on this obscure database hidden 2483 01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:47,890 within FAA dot-gov you know and had kind 2484 01:53:52,610 --> 01:53:49,570 of stumbled across that my wait a minute 2485 01:53:54,630 --> 01:53:52,620 this is pretty interesting so I would I 2486 01:53:57,570 --> 01:53:54,640 would think that the military should 2487 01:53:59,580 --> 01:53:57,580 take the same concern namely the US Air 2488 01:54:02,510 --> 01:53:59,590 Force but again it's that weird 2489 01:54:05,550 --> 01:54:02,520 contradictory US Navy says yes we 2490 01:54:07,710 --> 01:54:05,560 investigate US Air Force says no we 2491 01:54:09,690 --> 01:54:07,720 don't we have no procedures then on the 2492 01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:09,700 commercial side FAA says we don't track 2493 01:54:13,229 --> 01:54:11,860 those go to the civilian side oh by the 2494 01:54:15,300 --> 01:54:13,239 way here's a database with a bunch of 2495 01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:15,310 UFO encounters in it you know I mean 2496 01:54:18,570 --> 01:54:17,410 it's like across the board nothing makes 2497 01:54:20,130 --> 01:54:18,580 sense anymore I don't know who to 2498 01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:20,140 believe yeah I want to ask Peter about 2499 01:54:26,060 --> 01:54:21,970 this because I think it's a very 2500 01:54:30,060 --> 01:54:26,070 important point that the fa that's 2501 01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:30,070 federal and having an arrangement with a 2502 01:54:37,290 --> 01:54:32,650 civilian organization that's not a 2503 01:54:38,610 --> 01:54:37,300 government body of any kind but that's 2504 01:54:42,660 --> 01:54:38,620 interesting that they wouldn't be 2505 01:54:45,330 --> 01:54:42,670 turning these reports over to say the 2506 01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:45,340 Air Force or the Navy but I'm wondering 2507 01:54:54,810 --> 01:54:49,050 from Peter how many reports does he get 2508 01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:54,820 from the FAA each month I know he's he's 2509 01:54:57,900 --> 01:54:56,320 been a guest on this program he was a 2510 01:54:59,780 --> 01:54:57,910 great guy he's always on coast to coast 2511 01:55:02,040 --> 01:54:59,790 but I've never heard that reference 2512 01:55:04,500 --> 01:55:02,050 coming from Peter that I got this report 2513 01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:04,510 from the FAA and this is I wonder what 2514 01:55:08,850 --> 01:55:06,370 that ratio is and how many reports 2515 01:55:11,340 --> 01:55:08,860 actually come in and that isn't under 2516 01:55:14,460 --> 01:55:11,350 government control anymore Peter's a 2517 01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:14,470 civilian and you and I can pick up the 2518 01:55:20,190 --> 01:55:16,450 phone and ask him these questions and I 2519 01:55:23,340 --> 01:55:20,200 think that's very interesting response 2520 01:55:25,110 --> 01:55:23,350 from the FAA on this yeah absolutely I 2521 01:55:28,590 --> 01:55:25,120 tracked down the air traffic control 2522 01:55:32,250 --> 01:55:28,600 manual that specifically mentions UFOs 2523 01:55:35,790 --> 01:55:32,260 it's section 8 in an order they call 7 1 2524 01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:35,800 1 0.65 for anybody taking notes and you 2525 01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:37,690 can download this it's in plain sight 2526 01:55:42,630 --> 01:55:39,760 it's a one-page very short section and 2527 01:55:44,460 --> 01:55:42,640 it's entitled unidentified 2528 01:55:46,350 --> 01:55:44,470 buying objects and and they mentioned 2529 01:55:48,150 --> 01:55:46,360 the national UFO Reporting Center but 2530 01:55:49,500 --> 01:55:48,160 very quickly in an article I published 2531 01:55:51,660 --> 01:55:49,510 about a you know I would say about a 2532 01:55:53,610 --> 01:55:51,670 year year and a half ago I actually 2533 01:55:56,940 --> 01:55:53,620 looked at the lineage behind some of 2534 01:55:59,450 --> 01:55:56,950 these manuals and how they have dealt 2535 01:56:02,130 --> 01:55:59,460 meaning the FAA how they have dealt with 2536 01:56:04,670 --> 01:56:02,140 reporting and I actually tracked back 2537 01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:04,680 all the way to I believe it was about 2538 01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:07,450 2007 it's not in front of me but how the 2539 01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:09,850 progression of the manuals had have 2540 01:56:15,660 --> 01:56:12,880 unfolded over the years and how Bigelow 2541 01:56:19,050 --> 01:56:15,670 Aerospace starting with knids 2542 01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:19,060 then with bass was communicating with 2543 01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:21,130 the FAA trying to get their information 2544 01:56:32,130 --> 01:56:26,290 into the manual and from about 2009 to 2545 01:56:35,310 --> 01:56:32,140 about 2013 Bigelow Aerospace Bigelow 2546 01:56:37,860 --> 01:56:35,320 Aerospace is subsidiary bass was listed 2547 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:37,870 in the FAA manual including their 2548 01:56:42,540 --> 01:56:40,810 telephone number to report UFOs now as 2549 01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:42,550 we all know Peter does great work and 2550 01:56:47,370 --> 01:56:45,370 publishes his stuff public sadly the 2551 01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:47,380 vast material whatever went to them is 2552 01:56:52,860 --> 01:56:49,840 all shielded I would guess in whatever 2553 01:56:54,860 --> 01:56:52,870 system they used and not public but I 2554 01:56:57,930 --> 01:56:54,870 actually tracked down the emails between 2555 01:57:00,990 --> 01:56:57,940 Bigelow Aerospace and the FAA and the 2556 01:57:03,900 --> 01:57:01,000 communications for them to change the 2557 01:57:06,660 --> 01:57:03,910 information in the FAA manual so it's 2558 01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:06,670 really kind of interesting to see the 2559 01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:09,280 progression of how the FAA is dealt with 2560 01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:12,450 UFOs and how they have in writing 2561 01:57:17,460 --> 01:57:14,890 forwarded people to private privately 2562 01:57:19,500 --> 01:57:17,470 run organizations like bass like the 2563 01:57:22,700 --> 01:57:19,510 national UFO Reporting Center but 2564 01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:22,710 obviously they're recording these UFO 2565 01:57:28,350 --> 01:57:26,200 encounters in a database of their own so 2566 01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:28,360 it was so it was a fairly fairly 2567 01:57:32,910 --> 01:57:31,360 interesting revelation to see now I'm 2568 01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:32,920 gonna read this really quick and the 2569 01:57:41,670 --> 01:57:36,610 date on this is 815 2019 so this is a 2570 01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:41,680 recent document document jo7 one 10.65 2571 01:57:49,710 --> 01:57:46,090 why section 8 unidentified flying object 2572 01:57:52,820 --> 01:57:49,720 UFO reports that's pretty exciting title 2573 01:57:55,209 --> 01:57:52,830 isn't it right this is what it says 2574 01:57:56,759 --> 01:57:55,219 general a her 2575 01:57:59,680 --> 01:57:56,769 since wanting to report a UFO 2576 01:58:02,680 --> 01:57:59,690 unexplained phenomena activity should 2577 01:58:06,609 --> 01:58:02,690 contact a UFO unexplained phenomena 2578 01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:06,619 reporting data collection center such as 2579 01:58:13,689 --> 01:58:09,530 the national UFO Reporting Reporting 2580 01:58:16,469 --> 01:58:13,699 Center etc be if concern is expressed 2581 01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:16,479 that life or property might be 2582 01:58:22,629 --> 01:58:19,760 endangered report the activity to local 2583 01:58:25,479 --> 01:58:22,639 law enforcement department that's it 2584 01:58:29,979 --> 01:58:25,489 that's that that's the entire page for 2585 01:58:31,989 --> 01:58:29,989 UFO reports in the fa manual yeah it 2586 01:58:34,149 --> 01:58:31,999 doesn't make sense and and I would think 2587 01:58:38,020 --> 01:58:34,159 going back to those statistics of 16.1 2588 01:58:41,109 --> 01:58:38,030 at least a million 16.1 million flights 2589 01:58:43,419 --> 01:58:41,119 a year that the FAA is in charge of I 2590 01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:43,429 would I would think and hope that they 2591 01:58:47,469 --> 01:58:45,440 would take these sightings more 2592 01:58:49,930 --> 01:58:47,479 seriously and and that's how I actually 2593 01:58:52,390 --> 01:58:49,940 ended my article by saying if there 2594 01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:52,400 really are UFOs of unknown origin 2595 01:58:57,219 --> 01:58:55,280 traversing the sky the question is why 2596 01:59:00,910 --> 01:58:57,229 wouldn't the government agency with a 2597 01:59:03,609 --> 01:59:00,920 paramount interest in aviation safety be 2598 01:59:06,250 --> 01:59:03,619 concerned and investigate each case I 2599 01:59:09,009 --> 01:59:06,260 fly a lot I'd like to know that they're 2600 01:59:11,589 --> 01:59:09,019 taking those things seriously and yet 2601 01:59:13,540 --> 01:59:11,599 for all intents and purposes it doesn't 2602 01:59:17,140 --> 01:59:13,550 look like they are and that's that's 2603 01:59:19,989 --> 01:59:17,150 it's a concern word or winding down in 2604 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:19,999 in 2019 and I thought that we would be 2605 01:59:25,209 --> 01:59:22,010 having different conversations at this 2606 01:59:29,919 --> 01:59:25,219 point of the year certainly looking back 2607 01:59:35,500 --> 01:59:29,929 to you know 2017 and 2018 now we are 2608 01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:35,510 moving into 2020 are we are we hopeful 2609 01:59:40,509 --> 01:59:38,960 are we hopeful what 2020 is is going to 2610 01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:40,519 bring us when it comes to the question 2611 01:59:50,529 --> 01:59:45,010 of UFOs or are we on that treadmill 2612 01:59:53,620 --> 01:59:50,539 right that habit trail wheel running 2613 01:59:55,149 --> 01:59:53,630 like we have been year after year after 2614 01:59:59,469 --> 01:59:55,159 year what do you what do you think it's 2615 02:00:03,879 --> 01:59:59,479 gonna happen in 2020 well I'm not really 2616 02:00:06,580 --> 02:00:03,889 sure I'm always hopeful and I I always 2617 02:00:08,250 --> 02:00:06,590 am looking forward to something positive 2618 02:00:10,140 --> 02:00:08,260 happening 2619 02:00:12,030 --> 02:00:10,150 with this and this is what I'll say in a 2620 02:00:13,310 --> 02:00:12,040 positive note about TTS a because it 2621 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:13,320 always seems like I'm being negative 2622 02:00:18,930 --> 02:00:16,330 they really have brought forward a story 2623 02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:18,940 that has garnered a lot of media 2624 02:00:23,100 --> 02:00:21,610 attention to this topic right so they 2625 02:00:27,090 --> 02:00:23,110 deserve a lot of credit for that 2626 02:00:29,250 --> 02:00:27,100 if a tip was not involved in you ap or 2627 02:00:31,500 --> 02:00:29,260 UFO research right let's just assume for 2628 02:00:34,110 --> 02:00:31,510 a moment that that's true there are 2629 02:00:37,020 --> 02:00:34,120 elements to this story that are true 2630 02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:37,030 which is very intriguing and encouraging 2631 02:00:41,700 --> 02:00:39,280 for me and that would be again those 2632 02:00:43,110 --> 02:00:41,710 three videos that I got the US Navy to 2633 02:00:45,540 --> 02:00:43,120 say yeah we have no idea what those 2634 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:45,550 things are that they consider them UAP 2635 02:00:50,700 --> 02:00:48,010 so there are positive elements to this 2636 02:00:53,070 --> 02:00:50,710 that even though there are other stories 2637 02:00:55,380 --> 02:00:53,080 that maybe can be put to bed and dismiss 2638 02:00:57,870 --> 02:00:55,390 that that that they are nothing burgers 2639 02:01:00,570 --> 02:00:57,880 as you've called them there are elements 2640 02:01:03,330 --> 02:01:00,580 to this that are true at least today 2641 02:01:05,790 --> 02:01:03,340 anyway according to the military like 2642 02:01:08,930 --> 02:01:05,800 those three videos and and like the fact 2643 02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:08,940 that the Navy is investigating you ApS 2644 02:01:13,830 --> 02:01:11,890 those are encouraging so what is 2020 2645 02:01:15,930 --> 02:01:13,840 gonna bring will it be tied to TTS a 2646 02:01:18,570 --> 02:01:15,940 well they're super fans will argue 2647 02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:18,580 that's where all things will come from 2648 02:01:24,570 --> 02:01:21,010 and that's not necessarily true I think 2649 02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:24,580 hopefully the community as a whole will 2650 02:01:30,450 --> 02:01:27,610 pursue these types of questions not only 2651 02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:30,460 with CTSA but beyond and so I do credit 2652 02:01:34,860 --> 02:01:32,290 CTSA for bringing some of that stuff 2653 02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:34,870 forward because nothing can go against 2654 02:01:40,950 --> 02:01:37,570 at this point that the UAP phenomena 2655 02:01:42,930 --> 02:01:40,960 whatever it is is real and at least one 2656 02:01:43,470 --> 02:01:42,940 branch of the US military is taking it 2657 02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:43,480 seriously 2658 02:01:46,740 --> 02:01:45,730 so I scratch my head because you know 2659 02:01:49,770 --> 02:01:46,750 you've got these elements where I 2660 02:01:52,380 --> 02:01:49,780 questioned mr. Elizondo story and the 2661 02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:52,390 hierarchy of a SAP and a tip and every 2662 02:01:55,170 --> 02:01:54,070 acronym Under the Sun and who knows what 2663 02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:55,180 to believe and so on 2664 02:02:00,030 --> 02:01:57,850 so I am very skeptical about that stuff 2665 02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:00,040 but there are elements to this that have 2666 02:02:05,370 --> 02:02:01,570 been brought forward that we didn't know 2667 02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:05,380 before December of 2017 that some have 2668 02:02:09,090 --> 02:02:07,090 turned out to be true and that's why I 2669 02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:09,100 try and keep that positive outlook you 2670 02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:10,690 know and and that I'm not a total 2671 02:02:15,330 --> 02:02:13,090 Negative Nancy that this is all just 2672 02:02:18,540 --> 02:02:15,340 bunk because it's not I mean there are 2673 02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:18,550 elements that are true I just go back to 2674 02:02:22,169 --> 02:02:20,170 something I've said now a few times so 2675 02:02:24,899 --> 02:02:22,179 don't kill me for beating the dead horse 2676 02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:24,909 but I just hope one day TTS a as a whole 2677 02:02:31,290 --> 02:02:27,850 and mr. Elizondo sits down with whomever 2678 02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:31,300 radio host and answers some of these 2679 02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:34,210 questions again on radio or television 2680 02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:36,880 or whatever not the silly three or four 2681 02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:39,040 or five minute pieces you know where we 2682 02:02:43,620 --> 02:02:41,170 hear the same stuff regurgitate it I'm 2683 02:02:45,959 --> 02:02:43,630 talking about a two-hour sit down you 2684 02:02:47,490 --> 02:02:45,969 know and and and talking about some of 2685 02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:47,500 these elements that we are questioning 2686 02:02:52,919 --> 02:02:50,650 at this point and and and settling them 2687 02:02:54,780 --> 02:02:52,929 once and for all or at least getting the 2688 02:02:57,060 --> 02:02:54,790 other side of the story because silence 2689 02:02:58,919 --> 02:02:57,070 doesn't work so that's the negative part 2690 02:03:01,080 --> 02:02:58,929 of this but the positive is that there 2691 02:03:02,970 --> 02:03:01,090 are some elements that are true and that 2692 02:03:04,050 --> 02:03:02,980 we can absolutely pursue and keep 2693 02:03:08,490 --> 02:03:04,060 pushing for answers 2694 02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:08,500 yeah there's it has been a very very fun 2695 02:03:15,630 --> 02:03:10,960 ride over this last couple of years and 2696 02:03:18,570 --> 02:03:15,640 it's not hasn't all been for me you know 2697 02:03:22,260 --> 02:03:18,580 about TTS a there's been a lot of other 2698 02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:22,270 things and I'll go over that as we wind 2699 02:03:28,490 --> 02:03:25,090 down this year and head into 2020 and do 2700 02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:28,500 those types of shows but there is one 2701 02:03:39,709 --> 02:03:33,570 one very fundamental aspect to TTS a 2702 02:03:42,959 --> 02:03:39,719 that that black cloud is going to hover 2703 02:03:46,140 --> 02:03:42,969 forever and look at these things get 2704 02:03:52,050 --> 02:03:46,150 addressed and that's it and I don't 2705 02:03:55,979 --> 02:03:52,060 think that that Elizondo anybody melon 2706 02:03:58,979 --> 02:03:55,989 anybody over how anybody over included 2707 02:04:01,620 --> 02:03:58,989 along over at TTS a really understands 2708 02:04:03,630 --> 02:04:01,630 they can say all that they want that the 2709 02:04:04,979 --> 02:04:03,640 the UFO community doesn't matter it's 2710 02:04:07,260 --> 02:04:04,989 the big picture we're not concerned 2711 02:04:11,070 --> 02:04:07,270 about your questions and they've clearly 2712 02:04:15,660 --> 02:04:11,080 stated that well no it doesn't work that 2713 02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:15,670 way the the the more that is known and 2714 02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:17,890 and these questions that are there that 2715 02:04:23,340 --> 02:04:21,010 cloud everybody that sees them on 2716 02:04:27,149 --> 02:04:23,350 television or sees another story that 2717 02:04:28,830 --> 02:04:27,159 pops up we've got new t-shirts coming by 2718 02:04:32,430 --> 02:04:28,840 the people are gonna look at that and go 2719 02:04:35,310 --> 02:04:32,440 to it you guys have got issues 2720 02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:35,320 yeah you guys have issues you're going 2721 02:04:38,940 --> 02:04:37,090 to be on television you're gonna go and 2722 02:04:40,710 --> 02:04:38,950 push the marketing money to go and do 2723 02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:40,720 that people are gonna watch that now and 2724 02:04:46,350 --> 02:04:43,690 they're not taking it serious 2725 02:04:49,020 --> 02:04:46,360 they'd and that's that's and I don't 2726 02:04:50,970 --> 02:04:49,030 know if they realize that you know 2727 02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:50,980 you're you know I don't know I don't 2728 02:04:55,080 --> 02:04:52,810 know maybe it's the private planes and 2729 02:04:57,300 --> 02:04:55,090 the money and everything else that is in 2730 02:04:59,310 --> 02:04:57,310 around that organization where they feel 2731 02:05:02,460 --> 02:04:59,320 that you know let them eat cake 2732 02:05:04,740 --> 02:05:02,470 right that they're there above anything 2733 02:05:08,010 --> 02:05:04,750 else and they don't need to concern 2734 02:05:10,650 --> 02:05:08,020 themselves with any of this and that 2735 02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:10,660 just it just may be that type of elitist 2736 02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:13,090 attitude yeah and and I know you've been 2737 02:05:17,670 --> 02:05:15,010 around the block for a long time and and 2738 02:05:19,710 --> 02:05:17,680 so so of I I mean I'm hitting 23 years 2739 02:05:22,830 --> 02:05:19,720 like I said and that's why people like 2740 02:05:25,050 --> 02:05:22,840 us get passionate and and you know even 2741 02:05:29,310 --> 02:05:25,060 emotional is a good word about this 2742 02:05:32,370 --> 02:05:29,320 because when they have a lack of caring 2743 02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:32,380 and a lack of respect for a topic that 2744 02:05:38,250 --> 02:05:35,440 deserves it that's where I get a little 2745 02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:38,260 heated that's where I get a little bit 2746 02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:40,630 passionate about it because there's that 2747 02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:43,330 lack of respect and it's that dismissal 2748 02:05:47,580 --> 02:05:45,520 of well who cares about the UFO 2749 02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:47,590 community it's a big picture well I hate 2750 02:05:52,830 --> 02:05:50,350 to say it the UFO community is the big 2751 02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:52,840 picture right now why because the UFO 2752 02:05:58,860 --> 02:05:56,050 community for decades has supported this 2753 02:06:01,200 --> 02:05:58,870 effort for more answers and more of the 2754 02:06:02,970 --> 02:06:01,210 truth and if they are going to dismiss 2755 02:06:06,270 --> 02:06:02,980 that they are losing a lot of good 2756 02:06:09,030 --> 02:06:06,280 people in the process and what they are 2757 02:06:12,660 --> 02:06:09,040 doing whether willingly knowingly or 2758 02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:12,670 whatever they are dismissing that part 2759 02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:15,130 of the community but dismissing the 2760 02:06:21,180 --> 02:06:18,010 requirement that they need to fulfill 2761 02:06:23,070 --> 02:06:21,190 for proving what they are saying how 2762 02:06:25,110 --> 02:06:23,080 they are saying it and what they want to 2763 02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:25,120 do and it's because the UFO community 2764 02:06:30,030 --> 02:06:27,090 for decades has pushed for these answers 2765 02:06:31,740 --> 02:06:30,040 and for them to dismiss it that's why 2766 02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:31,750 they're making the silly mistakes that 2767 02:06:36,030 --> 02:06:33,850 they are and that's why they show a 2768 02:06:38,220 --> 02:06:36,040 mylar balloon in their opening press 2769 02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:38,230 conference to represent the tick-tack 2770 02:06:44,700 --> 02:06:41,770 that's why mr. Elizondo points to a CGI 2771 02:06:45,730 --> 02:06:44,710 animation in one of his presentations in 2772 02:06:49,540 --> 02:06:45,740 Italy and 2773 02:06:52,060 --> 02:06:49,550 this is a real photograph from the 1952 2774 02:06:55,030 --> 02:06:52,070 Washington sightings that I believe is 2775 02:06:58,300 --> 02:06:55,040 what they issued an apology for my whole 2776 02:07:01,750 --> 02:06:58,310 point is is that by dismissing decades 2777 02:07:04,990 --> 02:07:01,760 and decades worth of research and drive 2778 02:07:07,300 --> 02:07:05,000 and passion they are making more 2779 02:07:09,730 --> 02:07:07,310 mistakes than the Pentagon and what 2780 02:07:13,180 --> 02:07:09,740 their superfans don't realize is that 2781 02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:13,190 the Pentagon fully admitted to making 2782 02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,400 that mistake and they blacklist them T 2783 02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:19,040 TSA makes a mistake and they're heralded 2784 02:07:25,180 --> 02:07:21,290 as being the most honest group out there 2785 02:07:27,790 --> 02:07:25,190 and it's that hypocrisy that is going to 2786 02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:27,800 hurt this field and that is what leads 2787 02:07:32,230 --> 02:07:29,570 me to be passionate about it 2788 02:07:35,410 --> 02:07:32,240 you to be passionate and it goes back to 2789 02:07:37,630 --> 02:07:35,420 that lack of caring for the topic that 2790 02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:37,640 deserves a heck of a lot more thank you 2791 02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:40,250 so much John and don't ever stop and I 2792 02:07:45,070 --> 02:07:42,710 know that you won't all right I never 2793 02:07:47,220 --> 02:07:45,080 will I love it man I get a kick out of 2794 02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:47,230 this I love speaking to people like you 2795 02:07:52,810 --> 02:07:50,930 about it and and obviously to those who 2796 02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:52,820 care to listen I just have a blast so 2797 02:07:56,290 --> 02:07:54,410 absolutely I'm not going anywhere now I 2798 02:07:58,120 --> 02:07:56,300 wanted to say this I was going to say 2799 02:08:00,430 --> 02:07:58,130 this earlier and I've only got 60 2800 02:08:03,630 --> 02:08:00,440 seconds I'm going to get this out quick 2801 02:08:07,660 --> 02:08:03,640 I like the audience needs to know that 2802 02:08:11,020 --> 02:08:07,670 you and I on the phone have probably 2803 02:08:14,830 --> 02:08:11,030 disagreed far more than we have agreed 2804 02:08:21,010 --> 02:08:14,840 with each other there's been some 2805 02:08:24,460 --> 02:08:21,020 moments but it has it's talking through 2806 02:08:27,790 --> 02:08:24,470 it and we accept each other's positions 2807 02:08:30,460 --> 02:08:27,800 it's not all roses you know the the 2808 02:08:34,390 --> 02:08:30,470 bottom line is we're just trying to get 2809 02:08:38,230 --> 02:08:34,400 to these answers not only with T TSA or 2810 02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:38,240 or lazar or Billy Meyer whatever you 2811 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:40,610 know just whatever it's not about that 2812 02:08:45,580 --> 02:08:43,370 it's that we know the phenomena is real 2813 02:08:48,040 --> 02:08:45,590 we need to get it addressed let's figure 2814 02:08:50,230 --> 02:08:48,050 this thing out it's a lot of fun it's 2815 02:08:53,110 --> 02:08:50,240 the you know it's the journey that we're 2816 02:08:53,410 --> 02:08:53,120 on but being negative and attacking each 2817 02:08:55,870 --> 02:08:53,420 other 2818 02:08:58,450 --> 02:08:55,880 that gets us absolutely nowhere 2819 02:08:59,209 --> 02:08:58,460 community first and thank you for that 2820 02:09:01,549 --> 02:08:59,219 John you're the 2821 02:09:03,319 --> 02:09:01,559 best it's my pleasure you as well Thank 2822 02:09:05,509 --> 02:09:03,329 You Jimmy anytime I love being here 2823 02:09:08,839 --> 02:09:05,519 thank you have a great night you too 2824 02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:08,849 John Greenwald the black fall thank you 2825 02:09:14,930 --> 02:09:12,090 so much John and the black vault comm 2826 02:09:17,660 --> 02:09:14,940 very simple the links are over at Jimmy 2827 02:09:20,209 --> 02:09:17,670 Church radio.com I got a thing Jones why 2828 02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:20,219 for letting him do overtime tonight the 2829 02:09:26,989 --> 02:09:23,280 black vault comm you can follow John on 2830 02:09:31,790 --> 02:09:26,999 Twitter at black vault calm it's all 2831 02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:31,800 right there and this is this is my take 2832 02:09:40,459 --> 02:09:34,729 away and that I want everybody to please 2833 02:09:43,339 --> 02:09:40,469 hear me everything that that I speak 2834 02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:43,349 about where I lose interest in something 2835 02:09:49,339 --> 02:09:45,570 or I use the words like pull the plug or 2836 02:09:55,129 --> 02:09:49,349 my interest is fading I I don't have the 2837 02:09:59,239 --> 02:09:55,139 energy to to apply to to everything 2838 02:10:01,100 --> 02:09:59,249 right and and if I lose interest and the 2839 02:10:03,669 --> 02:10:01,110 energy is out I'm trying to figure out 2840 02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:03,679 I've seen way too many crazy things 2841 02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:07,440 right I need to worry about what I have 2842 02:10:12,290 --> 02:10:09,690 seen the things that you have seen the 2843 02:10:15,529 --> 02:10:12,300 things that you have experienced that's 2844 02:10:17,390 --> 02:10:15,539 what I'm out here to do right I'm trying 2845 02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:17,400 to figure all of this out and I'm not 2846 02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:20,610 going to waste my time on something that 2847 02:10:26,989 --> 02:10:24,210 just just doesn't feel right to me and 2848 02:10:28,969 --> 02:10:26,999 that's it life is way too short 2849 02:10:31,069 --> 02:10:28,979 I've only got so many days on this 2850 02:10:33,410 --> 02:10:31,079 planet and I'm gonna spend my energy in 2851 02:10:34,969 --> 02:10:33,420 the right areas and that's what fade to 2852 02:10:37,040 --> 02:10:34,979 black is all about and you can always 2853 02:10:38,899 --> 02:10:37,050 count on that that's why I love this 2854 02:10:41,149 --> 02:10:38,909 audience this is fade to black 2855 02:10:43,370 --> 02:10:41,159 I am your host Jimmy Church fade to 2856 02:10:47,540 --> 02:10:43,380 black cigs ecute of producer is ritika 2857 02:10:51,020 --> 02:10:47,550 Murray on show is produced by Hilton Jay 2858 02:10:52,759 --> 02:10:51,030 Paul Renae Tennyson Bob an announcers 2859 02:10:55,689 --> 02:10:52,769 are Steve Carter Jean Patou mark D 2860 02:10:58,840 --> 02:10:55,699 Khobar webmaster is Drew 2861 02:11:01,840 --> 02:10:58,850 the key music doug aldrich intro space 2862 02:11:04,169 --> 02:11:01,850 boys space boy music calm fade to black 2863 02:11:08,290 --> 02:11:04,179 is produced by kjsurya productions 2864 02:11:10,270 --> 02:11:08,300 indication is kgr a the planet spock a 2865 02:11:12,459 --> 02:11:10,280 stone a copyright of 2019 by pay the 2866 02:11:14,709 --> 02:11:12,469 black in the game-changer network it 2867 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